Meetings/2009-04-14/IRC

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Apr 14 20:42:31 <KTC>	right, we can start then ?
Apr 14 20:42:34 <KTC>	http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009-04-14/Agenda
Apr 14 20:42:37 <KTC>	http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009-04-07
Apr 14 20:42:38 <AndrewRT>	yes why dont we start
Apr 14 20:43:13 <AndrewRT>	I'm happy with the minutes
Apr 14 20:43:36 <AndrewRT>	I proposed two minor changes: http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings%2F2009-04-07&diff=3228&oldid=3186
Apr 14 20:44:02 <AndrewRT>	See mike has also proposed changes here http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings%2F2009-04-07&diff=3186&oldid=3179
Apr 14 20:44:06 <KTC>	enough with picking on my english :P
Apr 14 20:44:10 <KTC>	but okay :)
Apr 14 20:44:13 <mpeel>	sorry. :)
Apr 14 20:44:17 <AndrewRT>	:)
Apr 14 20:44:26 <AndrewRT>	matters arising?
Apr 14 20:44:33 <AndrewRT>	AGM - Location (AT, MP)
Apr 14 20:44:34 <KTC>	yeah, just keep going
Apr 14 20:44:48 <AndrewRT>	mpeel - did you get anywhere with the Uni?
Apr 14 20:44:56 <mpeel>	I talked to them on the phone
Apr 14 20:45:00 <mpeel>	they weren't very helpful though
Apr 14 20:45:05 <AndrewRT>	Who's doing minutes btw?
Apr 14 20:45:25 <mpeel>	the only place they have open on a sunday would be in fallowfield, which would be a fair distance away from the station so not useful to us
Apr 14 20:45:27 <KTC>	AndrewRT, worry about that later
Apr 14 20:45:33 <AndrewRT>	k
Apr 14 20:45:33 <mpeel>	to open another room would cost ~ £100 in staff time
Apr 14 20:45:39 <AndrewRT>	ouch
Apr 14 20:45:45 <KTC>	it's not like a in person meeting where someone have to keep note
Apr 14 20:45:45 <mpeel>	which they seemed very unwilling to consider waiving.
Apr 14 20:45:53 <mpeel>	so it looks like kro is our best option...
Apr 14 20:46:13 <AndrewRT>	is there any way of dealing with your reservations about kro?
Apr 14 20:46:26 <mpeel>	whose reservations?
Apr 14 20:46:35 <mpeel>	and/or which reservations?
Apr 14 20:46:38 <AndrewRT>	mpeel - was it you who didn't like the idea?
Apr 14 20:46:51 <AndrewRT>	was it the alchol availability?
Apr 14 20:47:00 <mpeel>	I possibly didn't like the idea of meeting in a pub, but don't see that we have much choice
Apr 14 20:47:11 <mpeel>	it shouldn't be that loud on a sunday, so noise shouldn't be an issue
Apr 14 20:47:19 <AndrewRT>	yeah
Apr 14 20:47:22 <AndrewRT>	ok
Apr 14 20:47:23 <mpeel>	hopefully everyone will be sensible and avoid drinking alcohol during the meeting...
Apr 14 20:47:32 <mpeel>	(or at least, avoid drinking alcohol excessively)
Apr 14 20:47:40 <AndrewRT>	we could put on tea, coffee, juice to welcome people
Apr 14 20:47:42 <KTC>	i'll echo the excessive part
Apr 14 20:47:53 <mpeel>	I don't know whether we can unless we order it from them.
Apr 14 20:48:03 <AndrewRT>	yes we'd have to order from them
Apr 14 20:48:34 <mpeel>	do you know whether they do serve flasks (or whatever the dewar things are called) of tea/coffee, or would it be easier for people to buy their own downstairs?
Apr 14 20:48:59 <mpeel>	photos of the venue are at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Manchester#Kro_Bar btw
Apr 14 20:48:59 <AndrewRT>	yes they can do drinks, etc that they bring up
Apr 14 20:49:20 <mpeel>	would be worth finding out the costs involved, then...
Apr 14 20:49:47 <AndrewRT>	this is the one they were talking about us having: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kro_Bar,_Manchester_2.jpg
Apr 14 20:49:50 <mpeel>	only other reservations were about the apparent lack of public access wifi (they said uni only, although there might be wider access available...)
Apr 14 20:50:09 <mpeel>	it looked like a good room.
Apr 14 20:50:16 <mpeel>	only other issue was that we couldn't find any power sockets
Apr 14 20:50:36 <mpeel>	they must be there somewhere, but well hidden...
Apr 14 20:50:54 <AndrewRT>	yes I'll check that with them
Apr 14 20:51:12 <AndrewRT>	are you happy to action me to send out details of krobar as the location?
Apr 14 20:51:17 <mpeel>	have you gone ahead and confirmed the room yet?
Apr 14 20:51:31 <AndrewRT>	nope - wanted to wait for meetign today
Apr 14 20:51:42 <AndrewRT>	but it's reserved so thats ok
Apr 14 20:51:51 <mpeel>	KTC: any objections to AndrewRT booking the room?
Apr 14 20:51:53 <AndrewRT>	we wont lose it!
Apr 14 20:52:21 <mpeel>	still, it would be good for it to be definite before we advertise it
Apr 14 20:52:36 <AndrewRT>	yes I'll confirm it before sending out the email!
Apr 14 20:52:39 <KTC>	no, i think this is it, so let's do it
Apr 14 20:52:45 <AndrewRT>	k
Apr 14 20:53:01 <AndrewRT>	we done with location then - shall i go on to speakers?
Apr 14 20:53:03 <mpeel>	great
Apr 14 20:53:35 <AndrewRT>	we thought of having four speakers
Apr 14 20:53:39 <KTC>	like i said, just keep going, i'll shout if we want to stop :)
Apr 14 20:53:40 <AndrewRT>	15 minutes each
Apr 14 20:54:01 <AndrewRT>	BBC is confirmed as previously reported
Apr 14 20:54:10 <mpeel>	oh - one question with venue, sorry. what times will we have the room booked between?
Apr 14 20:54:11 <AndrewRT>	so is Open Knowledge Foundation - not sure if I'd mentioned that
Apr 14 20:54:59 <KTC>	no it wasn't confirm last time
Apr 14 20:55:00 <AndrewRT>	Just checked room booked from 12
Apr 14 20:55:08 <mpeel>	until?
Apr 14 20:55:19 <AndrewRT>	have to check that
Apr 14 20:55:24 <AndrewRT>	AGm is till 4
Apr 14 20:55:35 <AndrewRT>	do we wnat to keep it for a board meeting afterwards?
Apr 14 20:56:12 <mpeel>	not sure - I doubt we could book it for the length of our board meetings so far
Apr 14 20:56:35 <mpeel>	might be worth having it until a bit later in case the agm overruns, though
Apr 14 20:57:04 <AndrewRT>	ok - I'll check with then
Apr 14 20:57:10 <AndrewRT>	i think they're open till about 7
Apr 14 20:57:21 <AndrewRT>	speakers
Apr 14 20:57:26 <mpeel>	great, thanks. sorry for interrupting the speakers bit...
Apr 14 20:57:37 <AndrewRT>	Wikipedia for Schools is also confirmed
Apr 14 20:57:40 <AndrewRT>	mpeel - np!
Apr 14 20:57:46 <AndrewRT>	Andrew Cates cant make it
Apr 14 20:57:59 <AndrewRT>	but someone else can - name excapes me at the moment!
Apr 14 20:57:59 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to KTC
Apr 14 20:58:05 <AndrewRT>	cant find the email!
Apr 14 20:58:07 *	ChanServ removes channel operator status from KTC
Apr 14 20:58:30 <AndrewRT>	Seddon has also agreed to lead a session on Wikimania
Apr 14 20:58:36 <AndrewRT>	so thats a full roster of speakers
Apr 14 20:58:42 <mpeel>	great
Apr 14 20:58:47 <AndrewRT>	can I send an email out advertising that?
Apr 14 20:58:54 <AndrewRT>	hwo does it sound as a line up?
Apr 14 20:58:59 <KTC>	BBC, Wikimania, Wikipedia for School, OKF ?
Apr 14 20:59:04 <AndrewRT>	yep
Apr 14 20:59:07 <mpeel>	in case we don't win the wikimania bid, then it might be worth using the discussion session to start planning a UK-only version of wikimania
Apr 14 20:59:17 <AndrewRT>	yes
Apr 14 20:59:31 <AndrewRT>	I suggested to Seddon he talk about a uk conference instead
Apr 14 20:59:36 <mpeel>	great
Apr 14 20:59:47 <mpeel>	am happy for that lineup to be advertised.
Apr 14 20:59:51 <AndrewRT>	cheers
Apr 14 21:00:02 <AndrewRT>	AGm Notice - any cheques cleared mpeel?
Apr 14 21:00:22 <mpeel>	I screwed up taking them to the bank, I'm afraid...
Apr 14 21:00:25 <mpeel>	left it until friday
Apr 14 21:00:31 <AndrewRT>	k no probs
Apr 14 21:00:33 <mpeel>	forgot that "bank holiday" means that the banks have a holiday...
Apr 14 21:00:43 <AndrewRT>	No news on # Website - Bugs (MP) I take it?
Apr 14 21:00:48 <mpeel>	I took them in this morning; should be cleared soon.
Apr 14 21:00:51 <AndrewRT>	haha
Apr 14 21:01:13 <mpeel>	I've opened an account with UKReg to receive the domains
Apr 14 21:01:19 <mpeel>	but haven't gotten any further with that yet
Apr 14 21:01:27 <AndrewRT>	have you spoken with James?
Apr 14 21:01:32 <mpeel>	briefly
Apr 14 21:01:39 <AndrewRT>	was he helpful?
Apr 14 21:01:42 <mpeel>	yes
Apr 14 21:01:43 *	Warofdreams (n=chatzill@94-172-169-100.cable.ubr11.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined #wikimedia-uk-board
Apr 14 21:01:47 <AndrewRT>	hi Mickey!
Apr 14 21:01:50 <KTC>	hello Warofdreams 
Apr 14 21:01:51 <Warofdreams>	hi!
Apr 14 21:01:51 <mpeel>	g'evening Warofdreams 
Apr 14 21:01:59 <Warofdreams>	sorry I'm late
Apr 14 21:02:11 <AndrewRT>	we're on 4.4 - Matters Arising
Apr 14 21:02:20 <KTC>	don't worry Warofdreams, the chair forgot about the meeting ;)
Apr 14 21:02:38 <Warofdreams>	:)
Apr 14 21:02:50 *	ChanServ gives voice to Warofdreams
Apr 14 21:03:04 <AndrewRT>	shall I do HMRC charity status (AT)?
Apr 14 21:03:07 <KTC>	sec
Apr 14 21:03:20 <KTC>	can someone remind me what the submitted bugs were ?
Apr 14 21:03:29 <KTC>	i have a vague recognition
Apr 14 21:03:31 <KTC>	but not sure
Apr 14 21:04:18 <Warofdreams>	https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17717
Apr 14 21:04:24 <Warofdreams>	and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17718
Apr 14 21:04:43 <AndrewRT>	thanks
Apr 14 21:05:05 <AndrewRT>	shall I add it to the mins?
Apr 14 21:06:01 <KTC>	*shrug*, let's keep going then :)
Apr 14 21:06:21 <AndrewRT>	done http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meetings/2009-04-07#Website_-_Bugs - so we dont forget!
Apr 14 21:06:25 <AndrewRT>	k
Apr 14 21:06:29 <AndrewRT>	HMRC charity status (AT)?
Apr 14 21:06:34 <AndrewRT>	I chased my Mp
Apr 14 21:06:39 <AndrewRT>	he said he hadn't had a reply yet
Apr 14 21:07:05 <AndrewRT>	please keep it as an action for me & i'll update next time
Apr 14 21:07:12 <AndrewRT>	Wikimania press releases
Apr 14 21:07:21 <AndrewRT>	was doing it before the meeting!
Apr 14 21:07:26 <AndrewRT>	will finish tonight
Apr 14 21:08:01 <AndrewRT>	Wikipedia (and other WMF's) trademark - who was this?
Apr 14 21:08:05 <AndrewRT>	TD?
Apr 14 21:08:25 <mpeel>	yes
Apr 14 21:08:28 <KTC>	Tango42, did u sent Mike Godwin the email ?
Apr 14 21:08:50 <Tango42>	no, you all said you wanted to think about it and didn't get back to me
Apr 14 21:09:02 <Tango42>	(that, and I went on holiday to the IOW and had limited internet access...)
Apr 14 21:09:10 <AndrewRT>	oh
Apr 14 21:09:39 <AndrewRT>	shall we approve it now?
Apr 14 21:10:00 <KTC>	sure
Apr 14 21:10:04 <Tango42>	I got one email (from mpeel, maybe?) with a few queries, which I responded to
Apr 14 21:10:07 <AndrewRT>	I'm happy with the content of the email
Apr 14 21:10:12 <Tango42>	I think all those went to the whole board
Apr 14 21:10:25 <Tango42>	Does anyone want to amend the email in light of them?
Apr 14 21:11:18 <Warofdreams>	I'm happy with it
Apr 14 21:11:22 <AndrewRT>	I think it would be better coming from the Board
Apr 14 21:11:28 <AndrewRT>	or a Board member
Apr 14 21:11:34 *	mpeel has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
Apr 14 21:11:55 <Tango42>	That's fine if someone on the board wants to handle the negotiations. Mike may well not accept my initial version.
Apr 14 21:12:24 <AndrewRT>	what do others think?
Apr 14 21:13:17 <AndrewRT>	mpeel? WarofDreams? KTC?
Apr 14 21:13:20 *	mpeel (n=mpeel@87.113.12.110.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net) has joined #wikimedia-uk-board
Apr 14 21:13:20 *	ChanServ gives voice to mpeel
Apr 14 21:13:28 <AndrewRT>	hi again mike
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<Tango42> I got one email (from mpeel, maybe?) with a few queries, which I responded to
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<AndrewRT> I'm happy with the content of the email
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<Tango42> I think all those went to the whole board
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<Tango42> Does anyone want to amend the email in light of them?
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<Warofdreams> I'm happy with it
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<AndrewRT> I think it would be better coming from the Board
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<AndrewRT> or a Board member
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	* mpeel has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<Tango42> That's fine if someone on the board wants to handle the negotiations. Mike may well not accept my initial version.
Apr 14 21:13:47 <KTC>	<AndrewRT> what do others think?
Apr 14 21:14:02 <mpeel>	sorry: computer froze
Apr 14 21:14:08 <Warofdreams>	It probably would be best coming from a board member - but, if dealings with the WMF move at their usual pace, Tango is likely to be a board member by the time anything much happens
Apr 14 21:14:15 <AndrewRT>	hehe
Apr 14 21:15:23 <AndrewRT>	I'll vounteer to email it off if the Board wants me to 
Apr 14 21:15:42 <Tango42>	dealings with Godwin are often very quick
Apr 14 21:16:09 <Tango42>	people in berlin reported him granting permission to use trademarks within hours (God knows why it's his job, though...)
Apr 14 21:16:26 <AndrewRT>	mpeel r u ok with that?
Apr 14 21:16:35 <mpeel>	yup
Apr 14 21:16:37 <Warofdreams>	I'm happy with you doing it
Apr 14 21:16:41 <KTC>	k
Apr 14 21:16:42 <AndrewRT>	thanks
Apr 14 21:16:51 <KTC>	just a note on the bugs
Apr 14 21:17:02 <KTC>	i just reassigned it to Rob H, the WMF IT manager
Apr 14 21:17:10 <KTC>	hopefully we'll get an action soon :)
Apr 14 21:18:46 <Tango42>	so, did we have a conclusion on whether I should or shouldn't email Godwin?
Apr 14 21:19:20 <AndrewRT>	thanks Tom, I'll email him your version tweaked for mpeel's comments (I'll cc you in so you know what I've sent)
Apr 14 21:19:29 <AndrewRT>	so it's from the Board
Apr 14 21:19:36 <AndrewRT>	thanks for your help with this
Apr 14 21:19:40 <Tango42>	are you going to follow it up as well?
Apr 14 21:19:45 <mpeel>	am currently talking to brion about the bugs, btw.
Apr 14 21:19:46 <AndrewRT>	yes
Apr 14 21:19:51 <Tango42>	ok, good luck!
Apr 14 21:20:05 <AndrewRT>	cheers
Apr 14 21:20:12 <Tango42>	do we have a conclusion on mpeel's comments?
Apr 14 21:20:59 <AndrewRT>	I'll incorporate his comments into the email
Apr 14 21:21:35 <KTC>	5. Newsletter (MC) ?
Apr 14 21:21:46 <Tango42>	so you want to remove the part about merchandise being sold directly by us?
Apr 14 21:21:47 <AndrewRT>	shall we assign sections?
Apr 14 21:22:15 <AndrewRT>	http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newsletter/April2009
Apr 14 21:22:22 <AndrewRT>	I'll take http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newsletter/April2009
Apr 14 21:22:32 <AndrewRT>	sorry I'll take Annual General Meeting
Apr 14 21:22:47 <Warofdreams>	that's great
Apr 14 21:23:07 <AndrewRT>	and Wikipedia Loves Art
Apr 14 21:23:19 <AndrewRT>	Chapters Meeting - mpeel or Tango42?
Apr 14 21:23:26 <Warofdreams>	anyone for Wikimania bid?  either a big story which we can move up to the lead, or a "thanks for your help..." piece
Apr 14 21:23:42 <Warofdreams>	I'll take News Coverage
Apr 14 21:24:00 <mpeel>	I'm happy to write the chapters meeting section, unless tango beats me to it
Apr 14 21:24:01 <AndrewRT>	Meet-ups - what have we had this month?
Apr 14 21:24:08 <mpeel>	manchester one on the 4th
Apr 14 21:24:11 <mpeel>	london on the 12th
Apr 14 21:24:16 <AndrewRT>	did u go to manc?
Apr 14 21:24:19 <mpeel>	no - was in berlin
Apr 14 21:25:25 <mpeel>	Wikimania bid - perhaps ask seddon to write it, but I suggest we wait a few days before actually writing anything...
Apr 14 21:25:40 <AndrewRT>	well, we could write two versions
Apr 14 21:26:11 <mpeel>	that doesn't seem particularly time-economical...
Apr 14 21:26:42 <Warofdreams>	we should write it as soon as the announcement is made
Apr 14 21:27:04 <Warofdreams>	but some ideas of how to pitch it would be good
Apr 14 21:27:32 <AndrewRT>	who can do the London meet up?
Apr 14 21:28:30 <KTC>	no one here it seems
Apr 14 21:28:47 <KTC>	who did it before, maybe ask if s/he went this month?
Apr 14 21:29:22 <AndrewRT>	can anyone take an action to find someone to write up London meet up?
Apr 14 21:30:10 <Warofdreams>	I'll do that
Apr 14 21:30:58 <KTC>	Secretary's Report (AT) ?
Apr 14 21:31:10 <AndrewRT>	sorry dog emergency
Apr 14 21:31:21 <AndrewRT>	I've added actions to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newsletter/April2009
Apr 14 21:31:36 <AndrewRT>	nothing from me to report
Apr 14 21:31:44 <AndrewRT>	on correspondence except as reported elsewhere
Apr 14 21:31:59 <AndrewRT>	I did have an email I sent round before on AGM Agenda
Apr 14 21:32:22 <AndrewRT>	will it be too late to do that next week or shuold we find time tonight?
Apr 14 21:33:26 <mpeel>	which email was that?
Apr 14 21:33:38 <AndrewRT>	it was about a fortnight ago
Apr 14 21:33:42 <AndrewRT>	I can send it round again
Apr 14 21:33:58 <mpeel>	ah yes - 6 april?
Apr 14 21:34:24 <AndrewRT>	yes
Apr 14 21:34:32 <AndrewRT>	yes emailed it round again
Apr 14 21:34:53 <KTC>	found it 
Apr 14 21:35:18 <mpeel>	should we run through the issues in it quickly?
Apr 14 21:35:26 <KTC>	ok
Apr 14 21:35:29 <mpeel>	would be good to get this sent out properly
Apr 14 21:35:41 <AndrewRT>	yes I will do as soon as its confirmed
Apr 14 21:35:42 <mpeel>	(esp. considering the discussion before about the sessions)
Apr 14 21:35:50 <mpeel>	* membership forms on the table (how are we going to approve membership applications? (delegate authority to MP,TH plus one?; how decide? must be proposed by existing member? approve cheques prior to clearance?) (MP to organise) 
Apr 14 21:36:02 <AndrewRT>	for instance!
Apr 14 21:36:09 <AndrewRT>	shall I go through it in turn?
Apr 14 21:36:18 <AndrewRT>	From the Notice:
Apr 14 21:36:18 <mpeel>	sorry; I thought that was the first one
Apr 14 21:36:19 <AndrewRT>	1pm: Welcome, refreshments and informal discussions
Apr 14 21:36:21 <AndrewRT>	2pm: Discussions led by our invited speakers and the Board
Apr 14 21:36:23 <AndrewRT>	3pm: Formal business of the meeting, including hustings and election of the new Board
Apr 14 21:36:29 <AndrewRT>	* meet & greet (KTC, MC, ART, TH)
Apr 14 21:36:34 <AndrewRT>	is everyone going to be there?
Apr 14 21:36:53 <mpeel>	you're missing one from that list, no?
Apr 14 21:36:59 <KTC>	haven't got a ticket yet, but yes
Apr 14 21:37:13 <mpeel>	or am I let off meet and greet duty?
Apr 14 21:37:16 <AndrewRT>	er no
Apr 14 21:37:30 <Warofdreams>	I'll be fine to be there
Apr 14 21:37:42 <AndrewRT>	MP - was thinking you could be by the table filling in membership forms whilst the rets of us meet & greet!
Apr 14 21:37:58 <mpeel>	ah, ok
Apr 14 21:38:07 <AndrewRT>	if ur ok with that of course
Apr 14 21:38:15 <mpeel>	depends how many applications we get on the day
Apr 14 21:38:29 <AndrewRT>	well yes!
Apr 14 21:38:29 <mpeel>	too many or too few, and I might object to being tied to a desk. ;-)
Apr 14 21:38:42 <AndrewRT>	sure someone could relieve you at some point!
Apr 14 21:38:52 <AndrewRT>	how are we going to approve membership applications?
Apr 14 21:39:08 <AndrewRT>	I suggest delegate authority say to MP, TH plus one other
Apr 14 21:39:35 <AndrewRT>	that way people can join up, be approved & vote in short time
Apr 14 21:39:48 <Warofdreams>	we could convene a brief board meeting with whoever is available solely to approve applications
Apr 14 21:39:50 <mpeel>	I'm happy with that, but as we're all there we could have a quick board meeting
Apr 14 21:41:01 <AndrewRT>	ok sure
Apr 14 21:41:09 <mpeel>	would we all be happy with saying cash only for membership fees if you join on the day?
Apr 14 21:41:16 <mpeel>	cheques and bank transfers would be problematic...
Apr 14 21:41:34 <AndrewRT>	well, how many cheques have we had that have bounced?
Apr 14 21:41:46 <mpeel>	none
Apr 14 21:41:54 <KTC>	that's isn't really the point
Apr 14 21:42:00 <KTC>	i would support cash only on the day
Apr 14 21:42:01 <AndrewRT>	could we dispense with the requriement to clear for the AGM?
Apr 14 21:42:01 <mpeel>	but we've processed them all fully before accepting the person as a member
Apr 14 21:42:32 <mpeel>	what happens if someone's cheque does bounce after the AGM, and their vote was the deciding one with whether someone was on the board or not?
Apr 14 21:42:49 <AndrewRT>	well, we have to accept the votes as they are of course
Apr 14 21:43:02 <AndrewRT>	I suppose getting £6 out of a cashpoint isn't too much to ask
Apr 14 21:43:12 <AndrewRT>	particularly as there's one opposite kro-bar
Apr 14 21:43:19 <mpeel>	especially when there's one right next door
Apr 14 21:43:28 <AndrewRT>	oh is there one next door!
Apr 14 21:43:29 <mpeel>	and two opposite. :)
Apr 14 21:43:37 <AndrewRT>	ok fine then - cash only
Apr 14 21:43:37 <mpeel>	kro is right next to a NatWest
Apr 14 21:44:29 <AndrewRT>	MP - you ok to organise a table where people can get applicatiosn forms etc
Apr 14 21:44:38 <mpeel>	ok
Apr 14 21:44:41 <AndrewRT>	and give them to you
Apr 14 21:44:50 <AndrewRT>	r u going to wear a big badge? ;)
Apr 14 21:44:58 <AndrewRT>	"WMUK Membership Sec"
Apr 14 21:45:00 <mpeel>	I wasn't planning on doing...
Apr 14 21:45:07 <AndrewRT>	shame...
Apr 14 21:45:13 <mpeel>	isn't it sufficient to get people to look for the guy with a beard?
Apr 14 21:45:29 <mpeel>	;-)
Apr 14 21:45:33 <AndrewRT>	we'll put that on the posters!
Apr 14 21:45:40 <AndrewRT>	* ballot papers, candidate statements, Q&As, ballot boxes on table (tellers to organise)
Apr 14 21:45:47 <Warofdreams>	we should make a few signs - one can say "Membership" and can go on the membership table
Apr 14 21:46:04 <AndrewRT>	yeah that's true - could you get that done?
Apr 14 21:46:14 <Warofdreams>	can do.  what other signs will we need?
Apr 14 21:46:32 <KTC>	one around the student union redirecting was mentioned ?
Apr 14 21:46:48 <AndrewRT>	Yeah poster outside su woudl be good
Apr 14 21:46:53 <Warofdreams>	yep, good point
Apr 14 21:46:54 <AndrewRT>	also "Membership"
Apr 14 21:46:58 <mpeel>	am not sure whether that would count as fly posting
Apr 14 21:46:58 <AndrewRT>	and "Voting"
Apr 14 21:47:10 <KTC>	mpeel, yeah... :S
Apr 14 21:47:17 <AndrewRT>	sure we could ask them
Apr 14 21:47:24 <AndrewRT>	check it's ok
Apr 14 21:47:30 <AndrewRT>	explain the situation
Apr 14 21:47:37 <KTC>	AndrewRT, the point is they're not open ?
Apr 14 21:47:44 <AndrewRT>	true
Apr 14 21:47:51 <AndrewRT>	but we can ask them beforehand
Apr 14 21:47:51 <mpeel>	ok... I can probably call in there some point and ask them.
Apr 14 21:47:55 <Warofdreams>	mpeel: if we stick it on with blutack and take it down at the end of the day, I can't see anyone complaining
Apr 14 21:47:58 <AndrewRT>	great thanks
Apr 14 21:48:08 <mpeel>	please action me on that so that i don't forget
Apr 14 21:48:42 <Warofdreams>	speaking of which, who is minuting tonight?
Apr 14 21:49:14 <AndrewRT>	[20:45]	<AndrewRT>	Who's doing minutes btw?
Apr 14 21:49:14 <Warofdreams>	I'm happy to, but I wasn't here for the first 20-30 mins
Apr 14 21:49:15 <AndrewRT>	[20:45]	<KTC>	AndrewRT, worry about that later
Apr 14 21:49:23 <AndrewRT>	:)
Apr 14 21:49:26 <Warofdreams>	:)
Apr 14 21:49:45 <AndrewRT>	I can do first 30 mins if you want
Apr 14 21:49:54 <Warofdreams>	great; I'll minute from 4.5 onwards
Apr 14 21:49:55 <mpeel>	Warofdreams: could you generate the minutes for the first 30 mins from the logs?
Apr 14 21:50:47 <AndrewRT>	up to you whichever you prefer warofdreams
Apr 14 21:50:48 <Warofdreams>	can do, but it usually works best if someone who was there minutes - they (generally) have a full understanding of what was said - someone minuting later who wasn't there didn't have the opportunity to ask questions
Apr 14 21:51:11 <KTC>	um guys, let's keep the meeting going? :)
Apr 14 21:51:23 <AndrewRT>	ok - WarofDreams - you ok with posters then?
Apr 14 21:51:30 <Warofdreams>	fine with the posters
Apr 14 21:52:01 <AndrewRT>	I'll ask James to sort out a ballot box, voting forms etc
Apr 14 21:52:11 <AndrewRT>	he seems really on the ball with this telling stuff
Apr 14 21:52:15 <Warofdreams>	I'll write all the minutes, then if Andrew can look through the sections up to 4.4 and make any necessary corrections, that'd be great
Apr 14 21:52:35 <AndrewRT>	sure
Apr 14 21:52:38 <AndrewRT>	* buffet served at 1:20pm (if we have one?)
Apr 14 21:52:50 <AndrewRT>	do we want to have food/drinks?
Apr 14 21:53:08 <AndrewRT>	personally i think something small would be good
Apr 14 21:53:19 <mpeel>	depends on cost
Apr 14 21:53:32 <AndrewRT>	I've got a price list from krobar
Apr 14 21:53:41 <AndrewRT>	shall we set a budget?
Apr 14 21:53:50 <AndrewRT>	say 20 people £x per head
Apr 14 21:53:59 <AndrewRT>	see what they can do
Apr 14 21:54:21 <AndrewRT>	?
Apr 14 21:54:53 *	mpeel shrugs
Apr 14 21:55:01 <AndrewRT>	WarofDreams? KTC?
Apr 14 21:55:05 <KTC>	*shrugs*
Apr 14 21:55:09 <AndrewRT>	should we have a buffet?
Apr 14 21:55:25 <mpeel>	from your price list, how much would you expect one to cost?
Apr 14 21:55:35 <AndrewRT>	er dont know
Apr 14 21:55:40 <Warofdreams>	I don't see it as a priority - people will have just got there; if they haven't had a chance to eat beforehand, then they could get something from the bar
Apr 14 21:56:07 <Warofdreams>	I'd be surprised if we can do anything with food much under £5 a head
Apr 14 21:56:17 <Warofdreams>	which would be £100 straight off
Apr 14 21:56:20 <mpeel>	just arrange tea/coffee/biscuits, then, and leave it at that?
Apr 14 21:56:57 <AndrewRT>	ok that might be better
Apr 14 21:57:34 <AndrewRT>	they have a £6 menu which is Pitta and Houmous
Apr 14 21:57:36 <AndrewRT>	Cajun spiced potato wedges
Apr 14 21:57:37 <AndrewRT>	Garlic bread
Apr 14 21:57:39 <AndrewRT>	Sweet chilli chicken wings
Apr 14 21:57:40 <AndrewRT>	Chef’s mixed salad
Apr 14 21:57:42 <AndrewRT>	Homemade coleslaw
Apr 14 21:57:47 <AndrewRT>	£5.95 per person
Apr 14 21:58:10 <AndrewRT>	if you give me a budget I could go back to them and ask them what they could do for that?
Apr 14 21:58:18 <Warofdreams>	it sounds very nice, but we shouldn't be spending £120 on food
Apr 14 21:58:20 <mpeel>	considering that's basically the whole of the membership fees from a student, that seems a little excessive
Apr 14 21:59:24 <mpeel>	let's just leave it at tea/coffee/biscuits or similar
Apr 14 21:59:27 <AndrewRT>	ok
Apr 14 21:59:34 <AndrewRT>	I'll get prices from them for that
Apr 14 21:59:57 <AndrewRT>	* 1:30: report of the board introduced - 3 minutes leaving copies on the tables (ART, TH); informal discussion
Apr 14 22:00:26 <AndrewRT>	that basically gives people 30 minutes to get there & to have informal chat, sign up before anything starts
Apr 14 22:01:01 <AndrewRT>	3 minutes - keep the report snappy just have a brief intro plus cfp saying something about the financial accounts
Apr 14 22:01:15 <mpeel>	sounds fine; signing up can continue through that if necessary.
Apr 14 22:02:13 <AndrewRT>	then leave another 30 mins before the first session starts
Apr 14 22:02:35 <AndrewRT>	that means 1pm-2pm is very informal, not mcuh happening is that ok?
Apr 14 22:03:13 <AndrewRT>	2pm - 3pm:
Apr 14 22:03:15 <AndrewRT>	roundtable discussions for 10 minutes each, followed by general discussion:
Apr 14 22:03:17 <AndrewRT>	* session introduced and chaired by Board member (KTC?)
Apr 14 22:03:24 <AndrewRT>	KTC are you ok to chair this?
Apr 14 22:04:02 <KTC>	yes
Apr 14 22:04:11 <KTC>	might as well do something useful before i retire ;)
Apr 14 22:04:40 <KTC>	so it's 10 minutes talk plus 5 Q&A effectively ?
Apr 14 22:04:52 <KTC>	or what/
Apr 14 22:04:54 <AndrewRT>	yeah something like that
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Apr 14 22:04:58 <KTC>	hi
Apr 14 22:05:04 <AndrewRT>	hehe
Apr 14 22:05:08 <AndrewRT>	hi Tom
Apr 14 22:05:10 <cfp>	heya
Apr 14 22:05:22 <cfp>	did i miss much
Apr 14 22:05:22 <AndrewRT>	just talking about AGm Agenda
Apr 14 22:05:28 <AndrewRT>	got to 2pm
Apr 14 22:05:43 <AndrewRT>	2pm - 3pm:
Apr 14 22:05:45 <AndrewRT>	roundtable discussions for 10 minutes each, followed by general discussion:
Apr 14 22:05:46 <AndrewRT>	* session introduced and chaired by Board member (KTC?)
Apr 14 22:05:48 <AndrewRT>	* 1) Wikimania 2010 (or Wikimedia UK Conference) - Seddon?
Apr 14 22:05:50 <AndrewRT>	* 2) Working with the BBC - Steve Bowbrick
Apr 14 22:05:51 <AndrewRT>	* 3) Wikipedia for Schools - Andrew Cates?
Apr 14 22:05:53 <AndrewRT>	* 4) Open Knowledge Foundation
Apr 14 22:06:39 <AndrewRT>	Andrew Cates should be Duncan Harris
Apr 14 22:07:09 <AndrewRT>	3pm - 3:15pm - coffee break
Apr 14 22:07:11 <AndrewRT>	?
Apr 14 22:07:27 <AndrewRT>	thought it'd good after going for a hour!
Apr 14 22:07:47 <AndrewRT>	3:15 - 3:45 Hustings:
Apr 14 22:07:49 <AndrewRT>	Chaired by KTC - strict enforcement of time limits
Apr 14 22:07:51 <AndrewRT>	Each of eight candidates given Two minutes to speak
Apr 14 22:07:52 <AndrewRT>	Then open floor to questions
Apr 14 22:07:54 <AndrewRT>	Wrap up, referring people to ballot boxes
Apr 14 22:08:13 <AndrewRT>	is two minutes the right amount of time?
Apr 14 22:08:22 <Warofdreams>	sounds good to me
Apr 14 22:08:23 <KTC>	questions after each speech, or after everyoen ?
Apr 14 22:09:07 <Warofdreams>	I'd say after everyone, then we can keep a closer eye on the time
Apr 14 22:09:08 <AndrewRT>	I think after everyone
Apr 14 22:09:21 <mpeel>	after everyone makes most sense
Apr 14 22:09:22 <KTC>	ok then
Apr 14 22:09:35 <AndrewRT>	it's quick, but given we have 8 candidates for 7 positions, I think it's the right priority
Apr 14 22:09:57 <AndrewRT>	3:45 - 4:15 Resolutions:
Apr 14 22:09:58 <AndrewRT>	Chaired by KTC - strict enforcement of time limits
Apr 14 22:10:00 <AndrewRT>	Resolutions 1-6a proposed by ART on behalf of Board
Apr 14 22:10:00 <mpeel>	presumably candidate statements will be available during the meeting?
Apr 14 22:10:01 <AndrewRT>	Short statement for up to 1 minute (2mins for 6a) for each resolution; chair invites anyone to speak against for 1 min (2mins for 6a). Vote by show of hands (roll call if close; tellers have to make sure proxies aren't double counted)
Apr 14 22:10:03 <AndrewRT>	Resolution 7 proposed by TD
Apr 14 22:10:04 <mpeel>	as in, the written ones
Apr 14 22:10:05 <AndrewRT>	Short statement for up to 2 minutes; ART to speak against on behalf of Board for up to 2 mins; chair invites anyone else to speak for or against for up to 1 min. Vote by show of hands (roll call if close to 75% in favour; tellers have to make sure proxies aren't double counted)
Apr 14 22:10:06 <AndrewRT>	mpeel - yes
Apr 14 22:10:16 <AndrewRT>	I'll check with James
Apr 14 22:10:38 <mpeel>	why have 6a as a special case?
Apr 14 22:10:52 <mpeel>	6a/7
Apr 14 22:10:57 <AndrewRT>	just because I think it's more likely to be discussed
Apr 14 22:11:12 <AndrewRT>	all the others will probably be passed in quick succession without much debate
Apr 14 22:11:29 <AndrewRT>	6a and 7 I think are the only ones that will be debated much
Apr 14 22:11:30 <KTC>	ur not going to manager all that in half an hour, but okay...
Apr 14 22:12:07 <AndrewRT>	10mins for 1-5
Apr 14 22:12:11 <AndrewRT>	10mins for 6a
Apr 14 22:12:13 <AndrewRT>	10 mins for 7
Apr 14 22:12:22 <AndrewRT>	it'll be up to you to chair!!
Apr 14 22:12:50 <mpeel>	can you clarify "roll call if close" for 1-6a? is this the same 75%, or just majority?
Apr 14 22:13:10 <AndrewRT>	Personally, I'd rather we spent the time at the AGM discussing things like Wikimania and the BBC than admiistrative resolutions
Apr 14 22:13:19 <AndrewRT>	mpeel - depends on the resolution
Apr 14 22:13:59 <mpeel>	can that be stated somehow, or will that just be mentioned in the resolution statements?
Apr 14 22:14:34 <AndrewRT>	looks like only 2, 6a and 7 are special resolutions needing 75%
Apr 14 22:14:41 <AndrewRT>	all others need 50%
Apr 14 22:15:03 <AndrewRT>	perhaps the chair should state this when inviting me to speak?
Apr 14 22:15:13 <AndrewRT>	and calling the vote?
Apr 14 22:15:59 <AndrewRT>	KTC?
Apr 14 22:16:14 <AndrewRT>	otherwise, I'll make sure I mention it when proposing the reoslutions
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Apr 14 22:16:30 <AndrewRT>	Following all resolutions, tellers announce result of election.
Apr 14 22:16:32 <AndrewRT>	KTC closes meeting, invites people to hang around for coffee or join people for meal
Apr 14 22:16:34 <AndrewRT>	5:00 - 6:00 First meeting of the new Board
Apr 14 22:16:36 <AndrewRT>	6:30 - dinner
Apr 14 22:16:44 <KTC>	i'll mention it, it's fine
Apr 14 22:16:48 <mpeel>	an hour for the first meeting of the new board?
Apr 14 22:16:52 <mpeel>	that seems wildly optimistic
Apr 14 22:16:59 <AndrewRT>	hmmm, Tango has a long agenda
Apr 14 22:17:06 <AndrewRT>	if he's elected
Apr 14 22:17:21 <AndrewRT>	however, I'm not sure we'll feel like a long meeting just after a long AGM
Apr 14 22:17:24 <AndrewRT>	will we?
Apr 14 22:17:51 <AndrewRT>	might be better to just elect officers, short discussion and set the date for teh next meeting
Apr 14 22:17:59 <AndrewRT>	unless you want to suggest a longer meeting?
Apr 14 22:18:00 <mpeel>	probably not - but you're assuming we'll be given a choice... ;-)
Apr 14 22:18:02 <cfp>	seems more reasonable
Apr 14 22:18:20 <mpeel>	perhaps have dinner, then new board meeting?
Apr 14 22:18:22 <AndrewRT>	well, the chair does have a choice!
Apr 14 22:18:35 <AndrewRT>	depends who'll be the chair of course
Apr 14 22:18:55 <AndrewRT>	it's a Sunday as well, people will have work the next day
Apr 14 22:19:01 <AndrewRT>	and travel back home
Apr 14 22:19:20 <AndrewRT>	we could haev the meeting over dinner I suppose
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Apr 14 22:20:07 <AndrewRT>	how long do you suggest then?
Apr 14 22:21:23 <mpeel>	not sure
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Apr 14 22:22:21 <AndrewRT>	peopel will have trains to catch, dinner to have
Apr 14 22:22:33 <AndrewRT>	I think we shoudl agree a time and stick to it personally
Apr 14 22:23:09 <AndrewRT>	how about 2hours then max?
Apr 14 22:23:20 <AndrewRT>	4:30 - 6:30
Apr 14 22:23:36 <AndrewRT>	ask KTC/WarofDreams to clear up after the AGM ;)
Apr 14 22:24:38 <AndrewRT>	ok well, shall we move on to the next item on the Agenda?
Apr 14 22:24:54 <AndrewRT>	I'll send a note round the list etc with details of the AGM timings
Apr 14 22:25:20 <KTC>	yeah, treasurer report?
Apr 14 22:26:14 <AndrewRT>	cfp sent one in by email
Apr 14 22:26:19 <KTC>	i know
Apr 14 22:26:27 <AndrewRT>	> BTW bank balance is £366 (uncleared) £344 (cleared).
Apr 14 22:26:34 <AndrewRT>	anything else to report?
Apr 14 22:26:37 <cfp>	nothing else really
Apr 14 22:26:41 <KTC>	damn u, beat me to it :D
Apr 14 22:26:52 <AndrewRT>	heh
Apr 14 22:27:16 <AndrewRT>	Membership Report (MP)
Apr 14 22:27:25 <mpeel>	no new applications received
Apr 14 22:27:40 <mpeel>	one set of fees received by direct bank transfer
Apr 14 22:27:48 <mpeel>	should really formally accept that application...
Apr 14 22:28:01 <mpeel>	I deposited the other two's cheques this morning
Apr 14 22:28:07 <mpeel>	(apologies again for tardiness with that)
Apr 14 22:28:13 <mpeel>	will formally accept once cleared
Apr 14 22:28:17 <AndrewRT>	sure
Apr 14 22:28:26 <cfp>	could you send me the addresses of the new members
Apr 14 22:28:29 <AndrewRT>	happy to formally accept - now up to 19?
Apr 14 22:28:47 <cfp>	(thanks mpeel)
Apr 14 22:29:02 <AndrewRT>	mpeel - you going to send out the AGM notice etc to this new member?
Apr 14 22:29:15 <mpeel>	cfp: will send addresses once formally accepted
Apr 14 22:29:24 <mpeel>	(i.e. when I add them to the register)
Apr 14 22:29:30 <mpeel>	will send agm notice out to them at the same time
Apr 14 22:30:16 <AndrewRT>	I'll nudge those two people I nominated for the Board
Apr 14 22:30:24 <AndrewRT>	they promised their membership forms were in the post!!
Apr 14 22:30:48 <mpeel>	no sign of them yet ... unless the postman's holding back my post
Apr 14 22:31:39 <mpeel>	I think that's all with membership
Apr 14 22:32:14 <AndrewRT>	Timeline I've updated here: http://uk.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timeline&diff=3099&oldid=3009
Apr 14 22:32:25 <AndrewRT>	other than that we're on track!
Apr 14 22:33:25 <mpeel>	perhaps split deadline for accepting members into one for post, one for in-person?
Apr 14 22:34:01 <KTC>	surely the deadline for pre-agm is the next meeting ?
Apr 14 22:34:02 <AndrewRT>	sure I'm happy with that
Apr 14 22:34:11 <mpeel>	yup, it is
Apr 14 22:34:29 <AndrewRT>	well, if mpeel's got the application he could just bring it along to AGM for approval then
Apr 14 22:34:44 <mpeel>	problem with that is cheques
Apr 14 22:35:14 <mpeel>	actually... I have a problem next week. Am away this sunday the 19th until 23rd.
Apr 14 22:35:17 <AndrewRT>	yeah thats true
Apr 14 22:35:35 <mpeel>	which is rather bad timing...sorry. :(
Apr 14 22:35:47 <AndrewRT>	hmm
Apr 14 22:36:22 <AndrewRT>	i guess that means any more members have to be at the AGM
Apr 14 22:37:27 <AndrewRT>	i remember there was a ruel that we had to process 95% of membership applications by a certain date
Apr 14 22:37:35 <AndrewRT>	what was that again?
Apr 14 22:39:28 <cfp>	wasn't it one month
Apr 14 22:39:39 <cfp>	before
Apr 14 22:40:03 <mpeel>	I'm not sure
Apr 14 22:40:13 <cfp>	it was only 95% of membership applications received up to one month before the agm
Apr 14 22:40:16 <cfp>	if i remember right
Apr 14 22:40:17 <AndrewRT>	so we'll be ok then
Apr 14 22:40:20 <AndrewRT>	thats good
Apr 14 22:40:44 <AndrewRT>	do we want to change the timeline to reflect this?
Apr 14 22:41:23 <AndrewRT>	i.e. move "Finish processing applications for membership" to 14 April for postal applications 
Apr 14 22:41:37 <mpeel>	any applications that reach me by the 18th april should be ok, just about
Apr 14 22:41:50 <mpeel>	any after that I won't be able to look at until the 23rd april
Apr 14 22:41:58 <mpeel>	at which point there isn't really time for cheques to clear
Apr 14 22:42:03 <AndrewRT>	what would you do, email the Board the details for approval next week?
Apr 14 22:42:17 <mpeel>	I assume that we'll have a board meeting some time next week?
Apr 14 22:42:26 <AndrewRT>	and just pay in cheques beforehand
Apr 14 22:42:28 <AndrewRT>	?
Apr 14 22:42:53 <AndrewRT>	assuming we do
Apr 14 22:43:55 <AndrewRT>	shall we move on to Wikimania?
Apr 14 22:44:22 <mpeel>	could we have a quick board meeting on the evening of the 18th, if we receive any applications by then?
Apr 14 22:44:47 <mpeel>	can then pay in cheques early the following week (I should be able to get to a co-op bank at some point...)
Apr 14 22:45:51 <AndrewRT>	I'm fine with that if others are - KTC, WarofDreams, cfp?
Apr 14 22:46:08 <Warofdreams>	I think I could make that
Apr 14 22:46:20 <AndrewRT>	only if it's quick though!
Apr 14 22:46:36 <cfp>	fine
Apr 14 22:46:39 <mpeel>	should be able to do it in 15 minutes on the outside, if everyone's present.
Apr 14 22:46:48 <mpeel>	more likely a lot quicker
Apr 14 22:46:50 <KTC>	i can't make it
Apr 14 22:46:54 <KTC>	but sure, go ahead without me
Apr 14 22:46:58 <AndrewRT>	cheers
Apr 14 22:47:01 <AndrewRT>	lets do that then
Apr 14 22:47:14 <mpeel>	8.30BST?
Apr 14 22:47:32 <AndrewRT>	do we want to change the timeline to reflect this?
Apr 14 22:47:36 <AndrewRT>	yeah sure
Apr 14 22:48:37 <mpeel>	yes - deadline for receiving applications by mail, 19 april. Deadline for in-person applications, 26th.
Apr 14 22:48:45 <mpeel>	sorry, 18 april
Apr 14 22:48:47 <AndrewRT>	ok do you want to change mpeel?
Apr 14 22:48:51 <mpeel>	ok
Apr 14 22:49:36 <mpeel>	done
Apr 14 22:49:43 <KTC>	Wikimania bid (TH, JS) ?
Apr 14 22:49:43 <AndrewRT>	thanks
Apr 14 22:49:57 <AndrewRT>	anything to report/ask for?
Apr 14 22:50:20 <cfp>	is seddon around/
Apr 14 22:50:37 *	KTC point at Seddon 
Apr 14 22:51:07 <Seddon>	hello
Apr 14 22:51:10 <Warofdreams>	not long to wait: "on or before April 16: Announcement of host city to public."
Apr 14 22:51:45 *	KTC cross fingers
Apr 14 22:51:54 <Seddon>	As warofdreams pointed out, we only have to wait a few days to find out the result
Apr 14 22:52:01 <AndrewRT>	anything to report or ask for from the bid team?
Apr 14 22:52:26 <Seddon>	Id just like to thank everyone involved for everthing they have done :)
Apr 14 22:52:46 <Warofdreams>	I'm sure that we would like to thank you for all that you have done :)
Apr 14 22:53:25 <AndrewRT>	yeah I'd definitely second that
Apr 14 22:53:32 <KTC>	*nod*
Apr 14 22:53:38 <AndrewRT>	lots of work gone into the bid by various people
Apr 14 22:53:43 <AndrewRT>	all really appreciated!
Apr 14 22:54:42 <AndrewRT>	so, fingers crossed for Thursday
Apr 14 22:54:51 <AndrewRT>	I've been working on the press release after we win!
Apr 14 22:55:02 <AndrewRT>	let me know what you think - I'll finish it after the meeting tonight
Apr 14 22:55:07 <Warofdreams>	I've been offline for the last few days, so I'm pleased to see that the bid has been finished off well
Apr 14 22:55:16 <KTC>	# Website ?
Apr 14 22:55:27 <AndrewRT>	huh?
Apr 14 22:55:49 <KTC>	um, someone put it there. mpeel ?
Apr 14 22:55:55 <mpeel>	I sneaked an additional agenda item in...sorry
Apr 14 22:56:02 <AndrewRT>	shall we move on then?
Apr 14 22:56:18 <KTC>	yes, we can congratz ourself when we win ;)
Apr 14 22:56:21 <AndrewRT>	so you did
Apr 14 22:56:24 <mpeel>	:)
Apr 14 22:56:28 <AndrewRT>	thanks Seddon for your time
Apr 14 22:56:43 <AndrewRT>	website is that you MP?
Apr 14 22:56:45 <mpeel>	wanted to point out that we have a new main page, although it still needs a lot of work doing to it to make it look half decent
Apr 14 22:56:57 <AndrewRT>	yes - looking good - much improved
Apr 14 22:57:30 <KTC>	thanks
Apr 14 22:57:30 <AndrewRT>	I think we need something at top a bit like the Foundation have at top here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home
Apr 14 22:57:32 <AndrewRT>	 
Apr 14 22:57:46 <AndrewRT>	"The Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. is a nonprofit charitable organization dedicated to encouraging the growth, development and distribution of free, multilingual content, and to providing the full content of these wiki-based projects to the public free of charge. The Wikimedia Foundation operates some of the largest collaboratively edited reference projects in the world, including Wikipedia,...
Apr 14 22:57:48 <AndrewRT>	...the fourth most visited website in the world."
Apr 14 22:57:59 <AndrewRT>	but you've made a good start
Apr 14 22:58:07 <mpeel>	something like that would be good
Apr 14 22:58:10 <AndrewRT>	did you need anything from the Board on this?
Apr 14 22:58:13 <mpeel>	also the "Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment.
Apr 14 22:58:13 <mpeel>	And we need your help. Please support the Wikimedia Foundation by donating today.
Apr 14 22:58:13 <mpeel>	"
Apr 14 22:58:22 <AndrewRT>	yes indeed
Apr 14 22:58:33 <mpeel>	please, go forth and edit... :-)
Apr 14 22:58:42 <mpeel>	also wanted to mention http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Welcome
Apr 14 22:58:47 <mpeel>	and get your opinions on this
Apr 14 22:58:55 <mpeel>	(welcome template for distributing to people that register on the site)
Apr 14 22:59:08 <AndrewRT>	Looking good!
Apr 14 22:59:25 <AndrewRT>	on that note I've put together a template for wikipedia user pages
Apr 14 22:59:38 <AndrewRT>	at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WMUK
Apr 14 22:59:50 <AndrewRT>	feel free to edit as you want
Apr 14 23:00:10 <AndrewRT>	I've also been spamming wikiprojects with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WMUK_WikiProject
Apr 14 23:00:27 <AndrewRT>	and I'm going to ask my welsh contact to translate this into welsh too
Apr 14 23:00:54 <mpeel>	I'm still not entirely sure that we want to be known as a "local support group"...
Apr 14 23:01:12 <AndrewRT>	yes, I'll reword per your email!
Apr 14 23:01:13 <mpeel>	it sounds rather too much like Alcoholics Anonymous to me...
Apr 14 23:01:53 <mpeel>	shall we move on?
Apr 14 23:01:58 <AndrewRT>	shall we move on to 12. Chapters email list?
Apr 14 23:02:08 <AndrewRT>	can we take this in camera please?
Apr 14 23:04:10 >cfp<	hello ?
Apr 14 23:19:18 <AndrewRT>	back in them room
Apr 14 23:19:44 <Warofdreams>	summary for the minutes
Apr 14 23:20:19 <Warofdreams>	"the board discussed access to the chapters e-mail list"
Apr 14 23:20:45 <AndrewRT>	13. Chapter grants
Apr 14 23:21:56 <mpeel>	do we want to apply for one?
Apr 14 23:22:03 <mpeel>	we have several project proposals...
Apr 14 23:22:21 <mpeel>	London Loves Wikipedia, Schools project, Seed grant, Content access partnerships
Apr 14 23:22:39 <mpeel>	do we want to ask for money for any of those?
Apr 14 23:22:55 <KTC>	yes, but which one?
Apr 14 23:22:57 <AndrewRT>	when's the deadline?
Apr 14 23:23:13 <Warofdreams>	it's been moved to April 21
Apr 14 23:23:47 <mpeel>	KTC: it doesn't need to be just one
Apr 14 23:23:56 <mpeel>	we could conceivably ask for all four (or even more)
Apr 14 23:24:15 <AndrewRT>	it might be better to focus thou
Apr 14 23:24:28 <AndrewRT>	I'm not sure any of them at the moment are developed enough to apply
Apr 14 23:24:34 <Warofdreams>	I also note that it's being stressed that we can apply for routine costs "such as legal
Apr 14 23:24:36 <Warofdreams>	analysis, seminar fees, equipment, and other things that help you to
Apr 14 23:24:37 <Warofdreams>	get work done", rather than just for project work
Apr 14 23:24:59 <AndrewRT>	will they give us money for vague things?
Apr 14 23:25:07 <mpeel>	depends on how vague
Apr 14 23:25:23 <AndrewRT>	as vague as they are at the moment?
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Apr 14 23:26:33 <mpeel>	probably not
Apr 14 23:27:27 <mpeel>	perhaps we're best working within our own budget for now?
Apr 14 23:27:36 <mpeel>	and bearing in mind the process for next year
Apr 14 23:28:16 <AndrewRT>	two things stand out for me
Apr 14 23:28:32 <AndrewRT>	1) Seed grant - something, anything, to get us over the £5,000 charity commission hurdle
Apr 14 23:28:58 <AndrewRT>	2) Legal fees - perhaps looking at the limits of advocacy/political activity
Apr 14 23:29:31 <mpeel>	1) we should get there on our own within fairly short order, definitely before claiming gift aid etc. becomes an issue
Apr 14 23:29:49 <AndrewRT>	really? how?
Apr 14 23:30:07 <mpeel>	we have until january before our accounts need to be turned in, right?
Apr 14 23:30:28 <AndrewRT>	yes
Apr 14 23:30:32 <mpeel>	so at the very least we have the fundraiser to go through
Apr 14 23:30:42 <AndrewRT>	the pinch point is booking rooms for Wikimania 2010
Apr 14 23:30:43 <mpeel>	if that brings less than 5K in, then we're doing something really wrong
Apr 14 23:30:45 <AndrewRT>	I think
Apr 14 23:30:59 <AndrewRT>	which needs confirmed charity status
Apr 14 23:31:11 <AndrewRT>	when's the fundraiser again?
Apr 14 23:31:13 <mpeel>	if we win the wikimania 2010 bid, then that should suffice on its own to get charity commission status
Apr 14 23:31:17 <mpeel>	november to january, I think
Apr 14 23:31:38 <mpeel>	* status == recognition
Apr 14 23:31:45 <AndrewRT>	yeah
Apr 14 23:31:51 <AndrewRT>	is there any harm in applying?
Apr 14 23:32:03 <mpeel>	applying to what?
Apr 14 23:32:09 <AndrewRT>	for the funds
Apr 14 23:32:22 <AndrewRT>	to the Foundation
Apr 14 23:32:56 <mpeel>	possible downsides are: rejection, ridicule for putting in the request, or winning the grant and not knowing what to do with the money
Apr 14 23:33:44 <AndrewRT>	being rejected is what charities have to go through all the time, no?
Apr 14 23:33:49 <mpeel>	true
Apr 14 23:34:00 <mpeel>	I'd rather see us put in requests for specific things, rather than a seed grant
Apr 14 23:34:08 <Warofdreams>	answers to those: rejection not really worse than not trying, ridicule unlikely as we're being strongly encouraged to apply, we should think about what we would do with the money before putting in the application
Apr 14 23:34:28 <Warofdreams>	but why not let's think of some specific things we would benefit from
Apr 14 23:34:39 <AndrewRT>	I think we shoudl apply for £4,000 and explicitly say we need this to get over the CC hurdle
Apr 14 23:34:53 <AndrewRT>	and then specify the projects we'll spend the money on
Apr 14 23:34:58 <AndrewRT>	say £1,000 on content access
Apr 14 23:35:06 <AndrewRT>	any idea what WM-DE spent?
Apr 14 23:35:16 <Warofdreams>	what have we had to say no to, due to lack of funds/not being a funding priority at present?
Apr 14 23:35:26 <mpeel>	hmm: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/WMF_grants/WM_UA/Getting_the_Ukrainian_chapter_off_the_ground
Apr 14 23:35:28 <AndrewRT>	chapters meeting
Apr 14 23:35:35 <Warofdreams>	I'm thinking of the conference we were thinking of sending a representative to
Apr 14 23:35:41 <mpeel>	requesting $10,000 to get the chapter started
Apr 14 23:35:47 <Warofdreams>	yes, chapters meeting
Apr 14 23:35:53 <AndrewRT>	yes good point - £500 for attending relevant conferences
Apr 14 23:36:07 <AndrewRT>	£500 for attening next year's chapters meeting
Apr 14 23:36:30 <AndrewRT>	£200 for a buffet at the AGM
Apr 14 23:36:32 <AndrewRT>	:P
Apr 14 23:36:42 <mpeel>	bear in mind the timeline here...
Apr 14 23:36:52 <mpeel>	we won't see any money until after july
Apr 14 23:36:57 <AndrewRT>	ah ok
Apr 14 23:37:05 <AndrewRT>	that will fit in ok thou
Apr 14 23:37:47 <AndrewRT>	we talked about marketing for London Loves Wikimedia
Apr 14 23:39:04 <AndrewRT>	how much did we say again?
Apr 14 23:39:07 <AndrewRT>	was it £500?
Apr 14 23:40:22 <mpeel>	"[21:49] AndrewRT: so, billboards, publicity, postage, cameras - what r we talking about £1,000?"
Apr 14 23:40:52 <mpeel>	£500 seems a lot more reasonable, though...
Apr 14 23:41:16 <AndrewRT>	is £1000 on Wikipedia for Schools too much?
Apr 14 23:41:29 <mpeel>	?
Apr 14 23:41:39 <mpeel>	what for?
Apr 14 23:41:42 <AndrewRT>	to spend
Apr 14 23:41:46 <mpeel>	on...?
Apr 14 23:41:52 <AndrewRT>	they were talking about buying a laptop
Apr 14 23:42:01 <AndrewRT>	also travle, lunches for volunteers
Apr 14 23:42:17 <mpeel>	ah - this is the schools project?
Apr 14 23:42:27 <AndrewRT>	yes thats what i meant sorry
Apr 14 23:42:36 <mpeel>	I thought you were meaning http://schools-wikipedia.org/ . :)
Apr 14 23:43:07 <mpeel>	might be worth asking them if they want any help with distribution etc.
Apr 14 23:43:10 <AndrewRT>	ok here's my suggestion:
Apr 14 23:43:21 <AndrewRT>	We ask for £4000, say its to get over the CC hurdle
Apr 14 23:43:34 <AndrewRT>	and we'll designate the money to be spent on projects as follows:
Apr 14 23:43:42 <AndrewRT>	_earmark_  I should say
Apr 14 23:43:55 <AndrewRT>	£1,000 marketing London Loves Wikipedia
Apr 14 23:44:03 <AndrewRT>	£1,000 on Wikipedia for Schools
Apr 14 23:44:13 <AndrewRT>	£1,000 on content access projects
Apr 14 23:44:27 <AndrewRT>	£500 for members to attend relevant conferences
Apr 14 23:44:37 <AndrewRT>	£500 to attend next year's chapters meeting
Apr 14 23:44:47 <AndrewRT>	they can only say no!
Apr 14 23:44:55 <mpeel>	change "marketing London Loves Wikipedia" to joint events with cultural institutions
Apr 14 23:45:03 <AndrewRT>	even if they just say we'll give £2,000
Apr 14 23:45:06 <AndrewRT>	yeah sure
Apr 14 23:45:11 <AndrewRT>	make it more generic
Apr 14 23:45:25 <mpeel>	possibly also make "Wikipedia for Schools" similarly more generic
Apr 14 23:45:46 <mpeel>	otherwise, it broadly seems fine to me
Apr 14 23:45:48 <AndrewRT>	shall I put together an application?
Apr 14 23:45:52 <mpeel>	KTC, Warofdreams, cfp?
Apr 14 23:46:00 <AndrewRT>	what do you think cfp, warofdreams, ktc?
Apr 14 23:46:18 <Warofdreams>	let's go for it - more likely to succeed than asking for the cash without any suggestion of what we might do with it
Apr 14 23:46:39 <KTC>	go for it
Apr 14 23:46:47 <cfp>	yes sounds like a good proposal
Apr 14 23:47:23 <AndrewRT>	right I'll get that sorted then
Apr 14 23:47:25 <AndrewRT>	thanks
Apr 14 23:47:51 <cfp>	do we want to push up the amounts a tad?
Apr 14 23:47:58 <AndrewRT>	really?
Apr 14 23:48:02 <AndrewRT>	what to?
Apr 14 23:48:20 <AndrewRT>	[23:43]	<AndrewRT>	£1,000 marketing London Loves Wikipedia
Apr 14 23:48:22 <AndrewRT>	[23:44]	<AndrewRT>	£1,000 on Wikipedia for Schools
Apr 14 23:48:24 <cfp>	2k for wikipedia for schools perhaps?
Apr 14 23:48:24 <AndrewRT>	[23:44]	<AndrewRT>	£1,000 on content access projects
Apr 14 23:48:25 <AndrewRT>	[23:44]	<AndrewRT>	£500 for members to attend relevant conferences
Apr 14 23:48:27 <AndrewRT>	[23:44]	<AndrewRT>	£500 to attend next year's chapters meeting
Apr 14 23:48:38 <AndrewRT>	would they spend it?
Apr 14 23:48:58 <cfp>	well there's lots that could be done i'd expect
Apr 14 23:48:58 <mpeel>	it might make sense to ask for 5k, rather than 4k, on the basis of that being the threshold for the charity commission
Apr 14 23:49:04 <cfp>	yes exactly
Apr 14 23:49:22 <AndrewRT>	and leave the other sas they are or increase them too?
Apr 14 23:50:26 <cfp>	leave them as they are. wikipedia for schools is a well established project, so is more likely to be able to productively use the money, and they're more likely to support it
Apr 14 23:50:54 <AndrewRT>	ok I'll do this then
Apr 14 23:51:12 <AndrewRT>	everyone happy with the proposal outline?
Apr 14 23:51:29 <mpeel>	yes - shall we discuss details by email, and possibly approve on saturday evening?
Apr 14 23:51:37 <AndrewRT>	sure
Apr 14 23:51:47 <mpeel>	(so long as it's a simple yes/no, not an elongated discussion...)
Apr 14 23:52:04 <KTC>	yes
Apr 14 23:52:07 <Warofdreams>	yes
Apr 14 23:52:24 <AndrewRT>	Berlin chapters meeting - do we want to discuss this tonight?
Apr 14 23:52:33 <AndrewRT>	or leave till next meeting?
Apr 14 23:52:40 <mpeel>	I think we said most of what should be said at the last meeting
Apr 14 23:52:58 <AndrewRT>	doesn that mean we've finished the agenda!!!
Apr 14 23:53:05 <mpeel>	AOCB?
Apr 14 23:53:08 <AndrewRT>	it's not even midnight :>
Apr 14 23:53:18 <AndrewRT>	none from me
Apr 14 23:53:54 <AndrewRT>	any other business cfp, KTC, Warofdreams?
Apr 14 23:53:58 <KTC>	nope! :)
Apr 14 23:54:04 <Warofdreams>	not from me
Apr 14 23:54:07 <KTC>	next monday / tuesday ?
Apr 14 23:54:18 <Warofdreams>	this Saturday :)
Apr 14 23:54:19 <mpeel>	next meeting on saturday
Apr 14 23:54:28 <mpeel>	don't know whether I can make next monday or tuesday
Apr 14 23:54:34 <KTC>	and then after that? will we do one next week ?
Apr 14 23:54:38 <mpeel>	depends on whether I have internet access...
Apr 14 23:54:54 <AndrewRT>	i can do either - we alternating back to Monday?
Apr 14 23:55:13 <AndrewRT>	actually, do we need a meeting?
Apr 14 23:55:21 <AndrewRT>	have we got anything to discuss?
Apr 14 23:55:55 <Warofdreams>	apart from the two brief items for Saturday?
Apr 14 23:56:19 <AndrewRT>	ah yes, we need to approve a board report for the AGM
Apr 14 23:56:46 <mpeel>	who's leading that?
Apr 14 23:56:48 <Warofdreams>	I might be prodding people about the newsletter, but I don't have to do that in a meeting (and I hope I don't have to do it at all :))
Apr 14 23:56:53 <AndrewRT>	i could draft that if you want
Apr 14 23:56:57 <AndrewRT>	I've had a few ideas
Apr 14 23:57:05 <mpeel>	that would be good ... thanks.
Apr 14 23:57:42 <AndrewRT>	ok so meet again next Monday then?
Apr 14 23:57:46 <AndrewRT>	cfp?
Apr 14 23:57:49 <AndrewRT>	warfodreams?
Apr 14 23:57:54 <AndrewRT>	warofdreams?
Apr 14 23:58:05 <Warofdreams>	should be fine
Apr 14 23:58:22 <AndrewRT>	KTC is that confirmed?
Apr 14 23:58:27 <AndrewRT>	in that case, I'll head off
Apr 14 23:58:30 <KTC>	*nod*
Apr 14 23:58:32 <KTC>	bye bye
Apr 14 23:58:33 <Warofdreams>	I have a deadline on Tuesday, but I hope to have everything finished before Monday
Apr 14 23:58:45 <AndrewRT>	as I need to be up at 6am tomorrow :)
Apr 14 23:59:08 <mpeel>	g'night all ... 'till saturday.
Apr 14 23:59:10 <AndrewRT>	bye all 
Apr 14 23:59:17 <AndrewRT>	thanks for a very productive meeting

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Apr 14 20:40:39 <KTC>	hello
Apr 14 21:06:14 *	KTC try to remember his password to log into bugzilla...
Apr 14 21:08:41 <AndrewRT>	KTC>	Tango42, did u sent Mike Godwin the email ?
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Apr 14 21:24:37 <AndrewRT>	did anyone here dgo to any meetups this month?
Apr 14 21:24:44 <AndrewRT>	manchester or london?
Apr 14 21:25:39 <Majorly>	went to manchester
Apr 14 21:25:54 <AndrewRT>	great!
Apr 14 21:25:59 <AndrewRT>	how was it?
Apr 14 21:26:16 <Tango42>	lol, "If you are reading this version of the newsletter, that means we have won the bid!"
Apr 14 21:26:39 <AndrewRT>	quite!
Apr 14 21:26:41 <Majorly>	AndrewRT: very good
Apr 14 21:27:00 <AndrewRT>	Majorly - dont suppose you could do us a quick few sentences along the lines of http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Newsletter/March2009#Meet-ups??
Apr 14 21:27:11 <AndrewRT>	good to hear!
Apr 14 21:27:36 <Tango42>	"Hah! Take that, Jose!"
Apr 14 21:27:39 <KTC>	(nothing to do with meeting) the football is getting silly....
Apr 14 21:28:04 <AndrewRT>	is there a game on.......
Apr 14 21:28:13 <KTC>	Chelsea 3-4 Liverpool (agg 6-5)  
Apr 14 21:38:50 <Tango42>	has anyone written a report from the board to the membership? I don't think you need a full annual support since there hasn't been a full year, but some kind of report will be required and should be handed out to attendees and published somewhere, so you can't just wing it
Apr 14 21:39:45 <AndrewRT>	not yet
Apr 14 21:39:49 <AndrewRT>	but yes it's needed
Apr 14 21:39:56 <Tango42>	will people joining at the AGM be expected to pay in cash?
Apr 14 21:40:01 <AndrewRT>	you dont fancy doing a skeleton for us on the wiki do you?
Apr 14 21:40:06 <mpeel>	Tango42: that would be my expectation
Apr 14 21:40:15 <Tango42>	other people haven't been formally accepted until their cheques have cleared
Apr 14 21:40:24 <Tango42>	Fancy it? not as such...
Apr 14 21:40:55 <AndrewRT>	go on, you know you want to :)
Apr 14 21:41:47 <Tango42>	I really think the board's official report should be written by the board...
Apr 14 21:41:58 <Tango42>	Generally speaking, I'm happy to help out, but that really is your job
Apr 14 21:42:24 <AndrewRT>	I wasn't thinking you writing it, I was thinking you setting out what it should cover!
Apr 14 21:42:56 <Tango42>	just what has happened since the company was founded
Apr 14 21:43:11 <Tango42>	the timeline and newsletters should provide all the information you need
Apr 14 21:45:06 <Tango42>	oh, and there should probably be some very basic account
Apr 14 21:45:08 <Tango42>	s
Apr 14 21:45:13 <AndrewRT>	ok
Apr 14 21:45:54 <Tango42>	and, ideally, a budget, but I doubt there would be any meaning to a budget at this point
Apr 14 21:46:11 <AndrewRT>	hmm
Apr 14 21:46:18 <AndrewRT>	is that not up to the new Board?
Apr 14 21:48:06 <Tango42>	hmmm... I don't know... I think annual reports usually contain budgets
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Apr 14 22:20:05 <Tango42>	sorry, computer died
Apr 14 22:20:10 <Tango42>	what did I miss?
Apr 14 22:20:27 <Tango42>	(last thing I saw was Andrew saying "KTC?")
Apr 14 22:20:28 <AndrewRT>	just talking about how long the first meetign should be
Apr 14 22:20:45 <AndrewRT>	given it will start about 5pm
Apr 14 22:20:50 <KTC>	arguing about how long you're going to make the first board meeting will be if you're elected ;)
Apr 14 22:21:02 <AndrewRT>	and we'll just have finished a four hour AGm
Apr 14 22:21:19 <Tango42>	I'm planning on buying some more printer credits for printing the AGM...
Apr 14 22:21:23 <Tango42>	agenda
Apr 14 22:21:37 <AndrewRT>	hehe
Apr 14 22:21:46 <AndrewRT>	how long should we plan for?
Apr 14 22:21:51 <Tango42>	shall we aim for 2 hours and actually take 3?
Apr 14 22:22:00 <KTC>	in person ?
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Apr 14 22:22:04 <KTC>	hu
Apr 14 22:22:05 <Tango42>	yeah
Apr 14 22:22:06 <KTC>	*hi
Apr 14 22:22:22 *	KTC is glad he definitely won't be there... :D
Apr 14 22:22:25 <Seddon>	sorry i couldnt be earliar, date with the gf :)
Apr 14 22:22:39 <KTC>	what the hell u doing here, get back to her! :P
Apr 14 22:22:43 <Tango42>	KTC - yes you will. We need the old board there for the changeover
Apr 14 22:22:44 <AndrewRT>	quite!
Apr 14 22:23:12 <KTC>	damn!
Apr 14 22:23:40 <Seddon>	KTC: we been together all day :)
Apr 14 22:24:48 <Seddon>	dont worry, i enjoyed myself before coming here
Apr 14 22:25:04 <Seddon>	whats the dress order for the agm?
Apr 14 22:25:13 <AndrewRT>	black tie
Apr 14 22:25:18 <Tango42>	dress code?
Apr 14 22:25:27 <Tango42>	the dress code is: Yes, please.
Apr 14 22:25:38 <Seddon>	typical answer
Apr 14 22:25:51 <KTC>	um, there's a dress code? 
Apr 14 22:25:53 <AndrewRT>	not alowed in without a bow-tie
Apr 14 22:25:55 *	KTC reconsider going 
Apr 14 22:25:55 <KTC>	:P
Apr 14 22:27:04 <AndrewRT>	:P
Apr 14 22:27:22 <Seddon>	anything ? :P
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Apr 14 22:28:53 <mpeel>	weren't you supposed to be sending me something...? :-)
Apr 14 22:30:53 *	Seddon mumbles
Apr 14 22:31:20 *	Seddon mutters
Apr 14 22:31:53 seanw Seddon 
Apr 14 22:31:55 *	KTC throw a brick at Seddon 
Apr 14 22:31:56 <KTC>	;)
Apr 14 22:32:08 *	Seddon wimpers
Apr 14 22:32:42 *	Seddon wonders if there is any news from HMRC, asks every week in hope
Apr 14 22:33:10 <AndrewRT>	too late covered that already!
Apr 14 22:33:12 <AndrewRT>	:)
Apr 14 22:33:16 <Tango42>	the answer was "no"
Apr 14 22:33:21 <Seddon>	bugger
Apr 14 22:33:57 <Tango42>	someone has complained to their MP, who has complained to someone, who hasn't replied. Or some such thing.
Apr 14 22:34:45 <AndrewRT>	yeah that's about it
Apr 14 22:34:50 <AndrewRT>	unfortunately
Apr 14 22:34:57 <AndrewRT>	I've chased him though
Apr 14 22:35:06 <Tango42>	who was the someone that the MP complained to?
Apr 14 22:36:04 <AndrewRT>	presume it was the minister in charge but I dont know
Apr 14 22:50:38 <Seddon>	yer im here
Apr 14 22:50:48 <cfp>	anything to report?
Apr 14 22:50:56 <mpeel>	you should be able to post messages in the board meeting channel...
Apr 14 22:52:17 <Tango42>	I would like to congratulate and thank everyone responsible for getting our bid finished in time - the local team bit was the last thing to be completed, and looks great now. Well done!
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Apr 14 23:06:25 <Tango42>	are you going in camera or are you just gone?
Apr 14 23:06:40 <KTC>	in camera atm
Apr 14 23:06:42 <AndrewRT>	we've just gone
Apr 14 23:07:13 <Tango42>	CABAL! CABAL! CABAL!
Apr 14 23:07:54 <KTC>	:)
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