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Dec 08 20:30:28 <KTC>	right, let's start
Dec 08 20:30:33 <AndrewRT>	ok
Dec 08 20:30:35 <KTC>
Dec 08 20:30:45 <mpeel>	Warofdreams: I'll also be trying to do that, but it may not work efficiently.
Dec 08 20:31:03 <KTC>	minutes of last meeting :
Dec 08 20:31:08 <AndrewRT>	i've nothing to add
Dec 08 20:31:15 <AndrewRT>	i made a couple of minor changes to the minutes
Dec 08 20:31:17 <AndrewRT>	are they ok?
Dec 08 20:31:36 <AndrewRT>
Dec 08 20:31:55 <KTC>	yeah
Dec 08 20:31:56 <mpeel>	seems fine
Dec 08 20:32:02 <Warofdreams>	look good to me
Dec 08 20:32:07 <AndrewRT>	cheers
Dec 08 20:32:44 <AndrewRT>	other than that no changes from me
Dec 08 20:32:44 <AndrewRT>	oh, before we start - coudl we agree an end time for tonight?
Dec 08 20:32:49 <AndrewRT>	only i need to do some shopping!
Dec 08 20:33:11 <AndrewRT>	say 9:30?
Dec 08 20:33:20 <KTC>	oh, let's just try and fly through it, and come back to anyway long
Dec 08 20:33:23 <Warofdreams>	it'd be good to get through this in an hour
Dec 08 20:33:23 <KTC>	we can try...
Dec 08 20:33:24 <cfp>	fine by me.
Dec 08 20:33:27 <mpeel>	ok
Dec 08 20:33:28 <AndrewRT>	cheers
Dec 08 20:33:40 <KTC>	4.1 then
Dec 08 20:33:45 <KTC>	HMRC tax exempt status
Dec 08 20:33:57 <AndrewRT>	thats me
Dec 08 20:33:59 <AndrewRT>	I sent an email round
Dec 08 20:34:11 <AndrewRT>	they're taking 6-8 weeks to respond to applications at the moment
Dec 08 20:34:14 <AndrewRT>	so expect a response mid January
Dec 08 20:34:27 <Warofdreams>	that's fine - particularly given the bank account news :(
Dec 08 20:34:38 <AndrewRT>	once approved we can claim for previous donations
Dec 08 20:34:47 <AndrewRT>	if we have the consent
Dec 08 20:34:57 <KTC>	Warofdreams, yeah :(
Dec 08 20:35:01 <AndrewRT>	we could change teh membership form now?
Dec 08 20:35:10 <mpeel>	can we get that consent before we have their approval?
Dec 08 20:35:14 <AndrewRT>	yes
Dec 08 20:35:37 <AndrewRT>	as long as we dont state "we are HMRC approved to reclaim tax"
Dec 08 20:35:41 <mpeel>	they confirmed that on the phone?
Dec 08 20:35:46 <AndrewRT>	or anythign like that
Dec 08 20:35:48 <AndrewRT>	no
Dec 08 20:35:56 <AndrewRT>	would you like me to ring them to ask
Dec 08 20:36:02 <AndrewRT>	?
Dec 08 20:37:10 <mpeel>	it would be good to have confirmation before we put it on the form...
Dec 08 20:37:11 <AndrewRT>	sure i can do that - micket please action me in the minutes to do this and I'll let you all knwo what they say!
Dec 08 20:37:11 <AndrewRT>	mickey
Dec 08 20:37:11 <Warofdreams>	will do
Dec 08 20:37:11 <mpeel>	we'll need a seperate form for it initially anyway, so that those that have already applied can give their consent.
Dec 08 20:37:16 <mpeel>	I can put one of those together, and make it available as soon as HMRC OK it...
Dec 08 20:37:23 <AndrewRT>	cheers
Dec 08 20:38:10 <KTC>	4.2 ?
Dec 08 20:38:12 <KTC>	Bank & Paypal account
Dec 08 20:38:25 <cfp>	nothing further to add beyond what i said in emails
Dec 08 20:38:34 <cfp>	bank account is delayed until we hear back from wmf
Dec 08 20:38:39 <AndrewRT>	thanks for your work on this
Dec 08 20:38:49 <cfp>	paypal is waiting for the bank account and hmrc in order to get charity status
Dec 08 20:38:51 <AndrewRT>	i guess stuff like this just happens
Dec 08 20:38:57 <mpeel>	I'm afraid that I haven't had the chance to investigate paypal further (I think there was an action on me as well as cfp to that)
Dec 08 20:39:05 <Warofdreams>	as I see it, we have three options on the bank account:
Dec 08 20:39:12 <mpeel>	cfp: do we need a bank account for paypal, then?
Dec 08 20:39:15 <Warofdreams>	1) wait until we are approved by the WMF
Dec 08 20:39:26 <cfp>	no, but we do need one in order to get paypal charitable status
Dec 08 20:39:32 <Warofdreams>	2) ask the WMF if they can meet on IRC or otherwise to speed things up
Dec 08 20:39:41 <cfp>	and as i said in my email it'd be stupid to accept paypal donations before we had a bank account
Dec 08 20:39:50 <Warofdreams>	3) investigate going with an alternative bank
Dec 08 20:39:50 <mpeel>	cfp: OK.
Dec 08 20:40:04 <AndrewRT>	WarofDreams: yes those were my three too!
Dec 08 20:40:10 <AndrewRT>	I suggest we do all three
Dec 08 20:40:16 <mpeel>	2, followed by 1, would be my preference for proceeding...
Dec 08 20:40:38 <AndrewRT>	we can do (3) as an insurance policy without having to stop with the coop
Dec 08 20:40:46 <mpeel>	There is possibly a 4) rewrite the business plan to de-emphasise the connection with WMF.
Dec 08 20:41:02 <mpeel>	Andrew: fair enough.
Dec 08 20:41:54 <cfp>	it wasn't entirely unreasonable on their part really
Dec 08 20:41:58 <Warofdreams>	an insurance policy sounds good, but I suspect that with Christmas coming up, it wouldn't be much quicker to go with another bank, even if it proves straightforward
Dec 08 20:42:10 <cfp>	could someone pursue 2) while i'm in amsterdam
Dec 08 20:42:16 <cfp>	and then we'll have another think next week.
Dec 08 20:42:19 <Warofdreams>	away for a minute
Dec 08 20:43:14 <Warofdreams>	back
Dec 08 20:43:16 <AndrewRT>	do we know what the WMF's reaction would be if we asked them to do it more quickly?
Dec 08 20:43:39 <mpeel>	the worst they could say is that they can't do it before the meeting in jan...
Dec 08 20:43:47 <Warofdreams>	I doubt it would be possible, but as mpeel says, no harm in asking
Dec 08 20:43:48 <KTC>	i can try ask sue
Dec 08 20:43:54 <KTC>	*wmf board
Dec 08 20:44:36 <AndrewRT>	is Sue on the Board?
Dec 08 20:45:23 <KTC>	no
Dec 08 20:45:25 <KTC>	i corrected myself
Dec 08 20:45:28 <AndrewRT>	who is she?
Dec 08 20:45:47 <AndrewRT>	huh?
Dec 08 20:45:57 <KTC>	excutive director
Dec 08 20:46:07 <KTC>	or whatever it's call
Dec 08 20:46:15 <Warofdreams>	Michael Snow was very responsive before
Dec 08 20:46:30 <AndrewRT>	is anyone in touch with Michael?
Dec 08 20:47:44 <AndrewRT>	?
Dec 08 20:47:57 <KTC>	i'll send a email and ask
Dec 08 20:48:04 <mpeel>	AndrewRT: that sort of question's never good online: I wasn't sure whether to say no, or stay quiet...
Dec 08 20:48:07 <Warofdreams>	not really; I sent him that one e-mail before, and apparently he knows who I am
Dec 08 20:48:46 <AndrewRT>	oh shall we say mickey and KTC approach Michael and Sue respectively?
Dec 08 20:48:56 <AndrewRT>	see how far they get
Dec 08 20:49:07 <KTC>	it's outside Sue's scope
Dec 08 20:49:47 <AndrewRT>	yeah but she might be able to suggest how we can go about it to get the best result
Dec 08 20:50:40 <KTC>	sorry, been on the phone
Dec 08 20:50:53 <AndrewRT>	back now?
Dec 08 20:50:58 <KTC>	um, right, contact the WMF and ask nicely if it can be hurried up
Dec 08 20:51:15 <AndrewRT>	who?
Dec 08 20:51:27 <Warofdreams>	"Meetings of the Board of Trustees may be scheduled at such times and at such places as the Trustees deem appropriate and shall be conducted at least annually. A quorum shall consist of a least the majority of Trustees. The Chair may call a special meeting of the Trustees for any purpose upon notice being given at least ten days in advance of the meeting. Meetings may be held by electronic...
Dec 08 20:51:29 <Warofdreams>	...means such as telephone or chat as long as all Trustees are able to participate fully in any discussions with all the other members of the Board."
Dec 08 20:51:36 <Warofdreams>	from
Dec 08 20:51:36 <mpeel>	it's probably best to either directly contact the Board, or go through ChapCom, rather than any other method...
Dec 08 20:51:49 <Warofdreams>	so it'd certainly be possible under the bylaws
Dec 08 20:52:26 <KTC>	oh it's certainly possible
Dec 08 20:52:31 <KTC>	they do do meetings over irc
Dec 08 20:52:42 <KTC>	i'm just not sure they'll say yes
Dec 08 20:52:45 <KTC>	but one can only ask
Dec 08 20:52:52 <AndrewRT>	i 'm not sure they will either
Dec 08 20:52:57 <Warofdreams>	ChapCom don't seem to have any say over how the Board organise meetings
Dec 08 20:53:09 <Warofdreams>	I think that the board are the people to ask
Dec 08 20:53:18 <KTC>	Warofdreams / me ?
Dec 08 20:53:20 <AndrewRT>	they couldl say - you've waited a few years, you can wait another 20 days
Dec 08 20:53:22 <Warofdreams>	it depends, really, on how urgent they see our formation
Dec 08 20:53:47 <AndrewRT>	how urgent do you think it is in their eyes?
Dec 08 20:53:55 <Warofdreams>	they've said in the past that they are very keen to see Wikimedia UK up and running again
Dec 08 20:54:02 <AndrewRT>	(perhaps given the events of the last few days)
Dec 08 20:54:15 <Warofdreams>	if we made the case strongly, there must be a real chance they'd agree
Dec 08 20:54:30 <Warofdreams>	but we would need to explain why it is undesirable to wait 20 days
Dec 08 20:54:41 <Warofdreams>	(beyond natural impatience)
Dec 08 20:54:55 <AndrewRT>	losing momentum, having cheques ready to be banked
Dec 08 20:55:26 <Warofdreams>	certainly.  any other reasons?  we should mention them all
Dec 08 20:55:41 <AndrewRT>	ok shall we say WarofDreams to contact board to follow this up
Dec 08 20:55:41 <mpeel>	holding us up from accepting members
Dec 08 20:56:12 <AndrewRT>	capitalise on the recent publicity?
Dec 08 20:56:16 <AndrewRT>	to get members?
Dec 08 20:56:56 <Warofdreams>	and be in a better position to follow up if any similar stories appear in the next couple of months
Dec 08 20:57:03 <AndrewRT>	say we weren't able to respond properly to this controversy because we weren't up and running?
Dec 08 20:57:31 <Warofdreams>	I'm not sure that's quite true, but it did seem to lead to some confusion
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Dec 08 20:58:18 <AndrewRT>	well, WUL couldn't respond could it?
Dec 08 20:58:40 <AndrewRT>	although david did an excellent job of course!
Dec 08 20:58:48 <Warofdreams>	absolutely.
Dec 08 20:58:57 <mpeel>	t would definitely have been better if we'd had proper organization in place, rather than relying on David.
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Dec 08 20:59:02 <mpeel>	* it would
Dec 08 20:59:38 <mpeel>	although David did do a great job.
Dec 08 20:59:50 <Warofdreams>	ok.  I'll summarise all this and e-mail the board to ask if an early meeting would be a possibility
Dec 08 20:59:58 <AndrewRT>	cheers mickey
Dec 08 21:00:05 <KTC>	right, we seems to be stuck and not moving very far, if we want this meeting to end quickly
Dec 08 21:00:12 <KTC>	thanks Warofdreams 
Dec 08 21:00:15 <KTC>	let's move on then
Dec 08 21:00:17 <Warofdreams>	thanks for all the suggestiosn
Dec 08 21:00:21 <Warofdreams>	*suggestions
Dec 08 21:00:27 <KTC>	4.3 Wikimediauk-l Moderator
Dec 08 21:00:37 <AndrewRT>	mickey?
Dec 08 21:01:17 <Warofdreams>	no reply.  I was going to chase up today and also ask about the website (point 6), but given David is so busy, I've left this
Dec 08 21:01:34 <Warofdreams>	will chase instead in a couple of days, if that is acceptable
Dec 08 21:01:43 <AndrewRT>	yeah that's fine
Dec 08 21:01:50 <AndrewRT>	presume you'll update us when you hear
Dec 08 21:01:56 <Warofdreams>	yes, will do
Dec 08 21:02:15 <KTC>	4.4 Wikipedia Loves Art
Dec 08 21:02:23 <AndrewRT>	I'm in London next week
Dec 08 21:02:29 <AndrewRT>	plan to go to V&A and follow up
Dec 08 21:02:36 <AndrewRT>	will keep you all informed!
Dec 08 21:02:45 <mpeel>	great - make sure you let them know that you're coming, though.
Dec 08 21:02:50 <KTC>	thanks
Dec 08 21:02:52 <AndrewRT>	yes will do
Dec 08 21:03:07 <KTC>	4.5 Election Rules
Dec 08 21:03:18 <AndrewRT>	Not many people have commented
Dec 08 21:03:20 <AndrewRT>	on wiki
Dec 08 21:03:26 <KTC>	the dicussion seems to have got overrun by the censorship discussion 
Dec 08 21:03:37 <AndrewRT>	please coudl all the Board members comment too!
Dec 08 21:03:42 <AndrewRT>	yes that's true
Dec 08 21:03:50 <AndrewRT>	might be more useful if people could comment on wiki
Dec 08 21:03:57 <AndrewRT>	rather than on email list
Dec 08 21:04:04 <KTC>	yeah
Dec 08 21:04:16 <Warofdreams>	will do
Dec 08 21:04:28 <AndrewRT>	particularly coudl people comment on number of trustees the next board should have
Dec 08 21:04:45 <AndrewRT>	coudl we agree that as an action for each Board member?
Dec 08 21:04:57 <Warofdreams>	I'm happy to
Dec 08 21:05:06 <AndrewRT>	thanks
Dec 08 21:05:19 <AndrewRT>	thats all i had on this
Dec 08 21:05:53 <KTC>	4.6 website - i'll take that as dealt with
Dec 08 21:06:02 <KTC>	in 4.3
Dec 08 21:06:03 <Warofdreams>	yes please
Dec 08 21:06:18 <KTC>	5. Treasurer's Report
Dec 08 21:06:45 <AndrewRT>	have we spent any more money?
Dec 08 21:06:47 <AndrewRT>	cfp?
Dec 08 21:07:35 <cfp>	sorry
Dec 08 21:07:45 <cfp>	no more money spent to the best of my knowledge
Dec 08 21:07:50 <AndrewRT>	:)
Dec 08 21:07:52 <cfp>	though we're expecting a bill for the phone
Dec 08 21:08:01 <cfp>	top-up
Dec 08 21:08:11 <AndrewRT>	ok
Dec 08 21:08:12 <KTC>	thanks. 6. Secretary's Report 
Dec 08 21:08:13 <mpeel>	I spent £10 this morning on mobile phone credit; an expenses claim will be forthcoming.
Dec 08 21:08:37 <AndrewRT>	is everyone happy to wait another month to get their expenses paid?
Dec 08 21:08:48 <mpeel>	do we have a choice?
Dec 08 21:09:19 <AndrewRT>	well, if someone has a particuar problem we could ask donations to be paid direct to that person
Dec 08 21:09:19 <KTC>	you are the one who've spent the most money, and yes, do we have a choice....
Dec 08 21:09:30 <KTC>	no no no, let's not do that
Dec 08 21:09:48 <AndrewRT>	or, particular donations I should say
Dec 08 21:10:12 <AndrewRT>	I'm only saying if someone is urgently in need of teh money!
Dec 08 21:10:19 <AndrewRT>	I'm not, btw
Dec 08 21:11:01 <AndrewRT>	ok i'll take the deafening silence as saying everyone is happy
Dec 08 21:11:08 <AndrewRT>	shall i go on to secs report?
Dec 08 21:11:10 <KTC>	7. Membership Report
Dec 08 21:11:15 <KTC>	oh sorry
Dec 08 21:11:24 <KTC>	we never did 6, yes please
Dec 08 21:11:28 <AndrewRT>	thats ok - nothing to report except HMRC already reported
Dec 08 21:12:21 <Warofdreams>	Membership Report, then?
Dec 08 21:12:26 <mpeel>	I've put an updated membership application form at
Dec 08 21:12:40 <mpeel>	I've just updated that slightly, splitting the new sentence in two.
Dec 08 21:12:48 <mpeel>	is everyone ok with this revision?
Dec 08 21:13:07 <AndrewRT>	what's changed?
Dec 08 21:13:24 <mpeel>	there's a new sentence in the first paragraph
Dec 08 21:13:31 <AndrewRT>	ok that's fine
Dec 08 21:13:36 <mpeel>	Being a member gives you a say in the running of the company and the election of board members. It also gives you the right to attend, submit motions and vote at Annual and Extraordinary General Meetings (AGMs and EGMs).
Dec 08 21:13:43 <cfp>	thanks mpeel
Dec 08 21:13:43 <mpeel>	sorry: two sentence
Dec 08 21:13:44 <AndrewRT>	i put my cheque in the post to you this morning btw
Dec 08 21:13:54 <mpeel>	I've also modified the table at the bottom of the page.
Dec 08 21:13:54 <Warofdreams>	yes, I'm happy - I guess we'll soon need another update
Dec 08 21:14:07 <mpeel>	Andrew: great, thanks.
Dec 08 21:14:23 <mpeel>	we've now received a total of 6 completed applications.
Dec 08 21:14:25 <AndrewRT>	personally I'm happy for mike to make minor changes like these without bringing these to teh Board
Dec 08 21:14:31 <AndrewRT>	what do others think?
Dec 08 21:15:03 <KTC>	yep
Dec 08 21:15:09 <Warofdreams>	I'm happy for that, although it would be good to hear about anything which could be significant in the membership report
Dec 08 21:15:20 <AndrewRT>	11 members - into the double figures!
Dec 08 21:15:26 <mpeel>	OK; I'll do that in future, then.
Dec 08 21:15:29 <AndrewRT>	how much is that in subs & donations?
Dec 08 21:15:39 <mpeel>	I haven't calculated it.
Dec 08 21:15:57 <mpeel>	somewhere around the £150-200 mark, I believe, including our subs.
Dec 08 21:15:58 <AndrewRT>	ok np
Dec 08 21:16:10 <AndrewRT>	that's pretty good!
Dec 08 21:16:29 <mpeel>	I'll have a more accurate number ready for the next meeting.
Dec 08 21:16:31 <AndrewRT>	thansk
Dec 08 21:16:48 <Warofdreams>	yes, I imagine that should cover expenses so far and for the next few months, too
Dec 08 21:16:59 <mpeel>	nothing else to report - everything's waiting for the bank account, really.
Dec 08 21:17:04 <Warofdreams>	(depending on how much the AGM costs us)
Dec 08 21:17:38 <KTC>	8. Timetable Review...
Dec 08 21:17:47 <KTC>
Dec 08 21:18:00 <AndrewRT>	think we should update this for scenario (1) above
Dec 08 21:18:07 <mpeel>	push everything back by 5 weeks?
Dec 08 21:18:20 <AndrewRT>	i.e. bank opening after WMF approval
Dec 08 21:18:24 <cfp>	yeah seems wise.
Dec 08 21:18:41 <AndrewRT>	can we action someone to do that?
Dec 08 21:18:59 <Warofdreams>	is it safe-ish to say the account can be opened in a week once we are an official chapter?
Dec 08 21:19:10 <AndrewRT>	hmm I'm worried about that
Dec 08 21:19:21 <AndrewRT>	have they said anything to you cfp about proving ID?
Dec 08 21:19:28 <AndrewRT>	proof of address etc?
Dec 08 21:19:48 <AndrewRT>	they normally ask for that after the application form has gone in
Dec 08 21:20:06 <cfp>	nah they do all that via the credit cheque
Dec 08 21:20:16 <cfp>	i was told that otherwise everything in our application was fine
Dec 08 21:20:19 <AndrewRT>	oh thats good!
Dec 08 21:20:19 <mpeel>	you mean credit check?
Dec 08 21:20:30 <cfp>	indeed.
Dec 08 21:20:33 <Warofdreams>	some good news, then :)
Dec 08 21:20:49 <AndrewRT>	so we can expect to have the accoutn opened soon after WMF approval?
Dec 08 21:20:51 <cfp>	my impression at least was that as soon as we get the letter from wmf to them it'll be opened
Dec 08 21:20:55 <cfp>	y
Dec 08 21:20:56 <AndrewRT>	excellent
Dec 08 21:21:01 <mpeel>	I have a little bad news, I'm afraid: it is likely that I'll be abroad for around a month towards the end of January / beginning of February, for work purposes.
Dec 08 21:21:23 <mpeel>	I'm not sure how much this will affect accepting membership applications...
Dec 08 21:21:50 <AndrewRT>	do we need a temporary memsec?
Dec 08 21:21:53 <mpeel>	I haven't mentioned this before because I was hoping we'd have the agm by the time this came up.
Dec 08 21:21:53 <Warofdreams>	mpeel: will you get any say in the exact dates?
Dec 08 21:22:11 <mpeel>	Warofdreams; yes, I do have a fairly large say in the exact dates.
Dec 08 21:22:33 <AndrewRT>	thanks for the heads up
Dec 08 21:22:55 <Warofdreams>	so you should be able to select a date which will allow you to put everything we have in the bank account before you go
Dec 08 21:23:08 <mpeel>	hopefully, providing things don't get delayed too much.
Dec 08 21:23:22 <Warofdreams>	I suppose you can always pass those on to someone else, anyway
Dec 08 21:23:38 <Warofdreams>	the bigger issue will be those which arrive while you are away
Dec 08 21:23:40 <mpeel>	if the bank account takes too long, it might be a good idea to approve members early, and for someone else to pay the cheques into the bank account.
Dec 08 21:24:11 <mpeel>	I should be able to arrange for applications to be collated and posted to someone whilst I'm away, if necessary.
Dec 08 21:24:16 <AndrewRT>	I suggest we time the AGM to make sure mpeel's back by then
Dec 08 21:24:19 <KTC>	that's good mpeel 
Dec 08 21:24:32 <AndrewRT>	so they can be processed
Dec 08 21:24:58 <AndrewRT>	maybe get someone else to pay the cheques in
Dec 08 21:25:13 <AndrewRT>	as you say if they can be forwarded
Dec 08 21:25:45 <mpeel>	I will probably find out the exact dates that I'll be away around mid-january or so.
Dec 08 21:25:59 <mpeel>	I'll let you all know as soon as I know more definitely.
Dec 08 21:26:00 <AndrewRT>	shall we have a think about it until then and then decide what to do?
Dec 08 21:26:17 <AndrewRT>	we'll have more of an idea about timings then
Dec 08 21:26:24 <mpeel>	ok
Dec 08 21:26:55 <Warofdreams>	i've updated the timeline
Dec 08 21:27:00 <mpeel>	my apologies for this: this project seems to have a habit of being badly timed...
Dec 08 21:27:00 <AndrewRT>	thansk for giving us the heads up
Dec 08 21:27:32 <Warofdreams>	probably need to pick a new date for receiving tax-exempt status
Dec 08 21:27:37 <Warofdreams>
Dec 08 21:27:53 <AndrewRT>	HMRC status isn't dependent on anythign else
Dec 08 21:27:55 <mpeel>	It might be worth putting a note on the page to explain the lack of activity in december...
Dec 08 21:28:19 <AndrewRT>	yes mpeel good idea - not just a month off
Dec 08 21:28:22 <Warofdreams>	Andrew: no, just we know they will take 6-8 weeks to get back to us
Dec 08 21:29:10 <AndrewRT>	yeah I've already updated timeline for that - thats 7 weeks after posting
Dec 08 21:29:31 <AndrewRT>	6-8 weeks from application that is, not 6-8 weeks from now!
Dec 08 21:29:36 <Warofdreams>	sorry, I hadn't realised
Dec 08 21:30:26 <KTC>	anything to say on 9. Wikimania bid ?
Dec 08 21:30:42 <Warofdreams>	I've changed the potential AGM date again to 28/2, as it is the weekend
Dec 08 21:30:52 <cfp>	nothing heard about it
Dec 08 21:31:06 <cfp>	other than seddon's flicr group idea
Dec 08 21:31:13 <AndrewRT>	is there anything we need to do on the bid?
Dec 08 21:31:17 <Warofdreams>	it's a good idea
Dec 08 21:31:21 <cfp>	i told him to go ahead with it and that he didn't need to ask our permission
Dec 08 21:31:40 <Warofdreams>	beyond that, I expect this will be quiet until after Christmas?
Dec 08 21:32:51 <Warofdreams>	onto AOCB?
Dec 08 21:32:58 <AndrewRT>	no AOB from me
Dec 08 21:33:01 <mpeel>	I forgot to mention earlier: I've started a list of membership rules at . Input from all is more than welcome.
Dec 08 21:33:13 <AndrewRT>	yes i saw that - thanks
Dec 08 21:33:22 <AndrewRT>	I'll comment there
Dec 08 21:33:35 <mpeel>	nothing else from me.
Dec 08 21:33:41 <Warofdreams>	nor from me
Dec 08 21:33:51 <KTC>	wee, actually 9:30 (ish) :D
Dec 08 21:33:53 <KTC>	cfp?
Dec 08 21:33:54 <AndrewRT>	wow 9:30 finish!
Dec 08 21:33:55 <Warofdreams>	oh - languages - I've had no response from other projects
Dec 08 21:34:12 <Warofdreams>	probably best to give it another week, as there's no hurry
Dec 08 21:34:23 <Warofdreams>	and another thought (sorry!)
Dec 08 21:34:26 <mpeel>	does anyone want to discuss / say anything about the furore on the mailing list?
Dec 08 21:34:26 <KTC>	do we want a meeting next week ?
Dec 08 21:34:40 <AndrewRT>	good point mpeel
Dec 08 21:35:12 <AndrewRT>	the general consensus seemed to be - WUL should stay out and let WMF / David get on with things
Dec 08 21:35:17 <AndrewRT>	is that right?
Dec 08 21:36:00 <mpeel>	that seems about right, although I think that any of us are more than welcome to help out with the interaction with the press if we are able / want to.
Dec 08 21:36:44 <AndrewRT>	yes but as individuals rather than as WUL
Dec 08 21:36:50 <mpeel>	yes, as individuals.
Dec 08 21:36:56 <AndrewRT>	ok thats fine
Dec 08 21:37:09 <mpeel>	WUL as it stands has no formal connection to WMF, so is just a bystander.
Dec 08 21:37:16 <Warofdreams>	yep
Dec 08 21:37:19 <Warofdreams>	I agree
Dec 08 21:37:28 <Warofdreams>	Newsletter:
Dec 08 21:37:32 <Warofdreams>	we should start prepping the next one
Dec 08 21:37:38 <AndrewRT>	well, that's true, but we are a charity set up by Wikimedians to promote the interests of Wikimedians
Dec 08 21:37:48 <mpeel>	I see Andrew already has.
Dec 08 21:37:58 <AndrewRT>	newsletter - I've started one already (isj - not much in it)
Dec 08 21:37:59 <mpeel>
Dec 08 21:38:01 <AndrewRT>	ish
Dec 08 21:38:21 <Warofdreams>	very nice
Dec 08 21:38:26 <AndrewRT>	hehe
Dec 08 21:38:41 <AndrewRT>	should we aim to get it out by a certain date?
Dec 08 21:38:44 <Warofdreams>	I'll start writing for it; hopefully we can get it out before Christmas?
Dec 08 21:38:52 <AndrewRT>	when was the nov one sent out?
Dec 08 21:39:23 <Warofdreams>	published on 19/11 and circulated in the week after that
Dec 08 21:39:23 <mpeel>	21 november, I think
Dec 08 21:40:01 <Warofdreams>	aim to circulate from 20/11?
Dec 08 21:40:05 <Warofdreams>	*20/12?
Dec 08 21:40:24 <AndrewRT>	yeah i agree - that weekend
Dec 08 21:40:41 <AndrewRT>	I'll write some stuff about Wiki Loves Art @ V&A
Dec 08 21:40:45 <AndrewRT>	if you want
Dec 08 21:40:51 <Warofdreams>	please
Dec 08 21:41:04 <AndrewRT>	someones doing a write up of teh wikimeet aren't they?
Dec 08 21:41:11 <Warofdreams>	the last one was a good collaborative effort, so I hope this one will be again
Dec 08 21:41:29 <mpeel>	AndrewRT: yes, User:Ironholds is.
Dec 08 21:41:39 <mpeel>	I assume that will be available some time next week...
Dec 08 21:42:42 <KTC>	do we want a meeting next week ?
Dec 08 21:42:48 <AndrewRT>	ok action WarofDreams for that?
Dec 08 21:42:56 <Warofdreams>	will do
Dec 08 21:43:14 <Warofdreams>	I think it would be good to schedule a meeting
Dec 08 21:43:21 <Warofdreams>	in case we have news from the WMF
Dec 08 21:43:33 <cfp>	i will be kind of busy this time next week/tuesday, so if you do have a meeting i should apologise in advance for being about as quiet as i was tonight
Dec 08 21:43:35 <AndrewRT>	do we need to meet in a week or should we delay will a fortnight?
Dec 08 21:43:37 <AndrewRT>	_till_
Dec 08 21:44:00 <Warofdreams>	I can't guarantee whether I can meet in a fortnight
Dec 08 21:44:13 <Warofdreams>	will be at my parents, where internet connection is difficult
Dec 08 21:44:38 <AndrewRT>	when is that from & to WarofDreams?
Dec 08 21:45:15 <Warofdreams>	from 21/12 (or could hold off until 22/12) until 31/12
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Dec 08 21:45:59 <mpeel>	perhaps we could meet on the evening of friday 19th, or thereabouts?
Dec 08 21:46:02 <mpeel>	i.e. 1 1/2 weeks
Dec 08 21:46:10 <Warofdreams>	I could do that
Dec 08 21:46:12 <AndrewRT>	i can do 19th
Dec 08 21:46:14 <KTC>	your chair would be unavailable :(
Dec 08 21:46:21 <KTC>	on weekends
Dec 08 21:46:25 <mpeel>	KTC: any dates near then that you could do?
Dec 08 21:46:29 <mpeel>	thursday 18th?
Dec 08 21:46:41 <KTC>	thursday is probably okay
Dec 08 21:46:50 <Warofdreams>	I'm afraid I can't do 18th
Dec 08 21:47:07 <Warofdreams>	sorry, but my availability isn't good these next few weeks
Dec 08 21:47:24 <AndrewRT>	cfp what's your availability next week?
Dec 08 21:47:34 <Warofdreams>	could do Tue 16, Wed 17 or Fri 19
Dec 08 21:48:03 <mpeel>	any of those would be fine with me.
Dec 08 21:48:14 <cfp>	i'm travelling on wednesday
Dec 08 21:48:18 <cfp>	friday would be fine though
Dec 08 21:48:33 <AndrewRT>	i can do any day that week
Dec 08 21:48:34 <KTC>	cfp, tuesday ?
Dec 08 21:48:40 <cfp>	i could do tuesday yeah
Dec 08 21:48:52 <cfp>	but i'd be busy packing and finishing a paper for a supervision
Dec 08 21:48:54 <KTC>	how about a quick meeting on 16th ?
Dec 08 21:48:58 <cfp>	so i'd be quiet, like i said
Dec 08 21:49:50 <KTC>	we understand
Dec 08 21:49:57 <AndrewRT>	looks like we can all make 16th
Dec 08 21:49:59 <KTC>	let's make it tuesday 16th 8:30pm then
Dec 08 21:50:03 <AndrewRT>	ok
Dec 08 21:50:05 <Warofdreams>	great
Dec 08 21:50:07 <KTC>	if that's that then.
Dec 08 21:50:09 <AndrewRT>	thanks all for the meeting
Dec 08 21:50:10 <KTC>	thank you everyone
Dec 08 21:50:24 <Warofdreams>	sorry to be awkward; thanks for accommodating me!
Dec 08 21:50:39 <AndrewRT>	no probs!
Dec 08 21:50:41 <mpeel>	ok, g'bye all.
Dec 08 21:50:43 <Warofdreams>	thanks to everyone for a meeting concluded in record time :)
Dec 08 21:50:47 <AndrewRT>	bye all


Dec 08 20:28:24 <Warofdreams>	hello everyone
Dec 08 20:57:30 *	doooo ( has joined #wikimedia-uk
Dec 08 20:57:47 <AndrewRT>	meeting is taking place in #wikimedia-uk-board
Dec 08 20:57:55 <AndrewRT>	you're all welcome to join us in there!
Dec 08 21:30:41 <AndrewRT>	while everyone's here could I say you're all invited to put your response at
Dec 08 21:34:27 <AndrewRT>	warofDreams - did you read the comments on the cy page?
Dec 08 21:35:36 <Warofdreams>	which page?  I couldn't see anything relevant on Y Caffi
Dec 08 21:35:46 <Warofdreams>	but I don't speak Welsh, so I might have missed something
Dec 08 21:36:26 <AndrewRT>	i dont either, put it into a translator adn got something along the lines of "what do they want, grumble grumble, why dont we set up a Wikipedia Wales instead"
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Dec 08 21:42:40 <Warofdreams>	:) I'd be surprised if that happens, and it'd be a shame if people don't get involved, but we can't force them
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Dec 08 21:48:28 <yksinaisyyteni>	is the sky or C4 interviews about IWF available online?
Dec 08 21:49:15 <shimgray>	C4, yes.
Dec 08 21:49:20 <shimgray>
Dec 08 21:49:48 <yksinaisyyteni>	thanks